Found Deceased UT-5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley Found Deceased (UNCLE ARRESTED) #3

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  1. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Reminds me of Mollie Tibbetts, where the Creep ALSO blacked out, and couldn't remember: selective memory at its best.o_Oo_Oo_O
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  2. Roe19

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    If I remember correctly from my criminal law class, the rule you described is the common law/majority approach to the insanity defense. But the minority of jurisdictions use alternative rules that can be somewhat less onerous.

    The applicable rule is actually a moot point in Utah because it's one of only a handful of states without an insanity defense. Defendants can enter a “guilty but mentally ill” plea, but acquittal on the basis of mental illness is not an option. However, this is a live legal issue at the federal level because the Supreme Court recently decided to hear a case on whether the U.S. Constitution prevents states like Utah from taking the insanity defense off the table altogether.
     
  3. Inthedetails

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    Me too. :)
     
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    Can the prosecution office say that the death penalty is off the table, and then go back on that? Or a judge over rule that decision?

    Utah folks are nice, but bloodthirsty for killers like AW.
     
  5. Bravo

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    Welcome Roe 19
     
  6. tmar

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    Welcome Roe, with your first post.:):):)
    Thanks about info on 'insanity defence'.
    Licking his fingers for all to see.
    Pleased LE handcuffed him, as I think, did not want to watch this display.
    MOO.
     
  7. cluciano63

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    When would she have been found if he did not confess I wonder...and what dogs were used...usually they are so good :(
     
  8. Bravo

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    I think he was licking his hands to rid of evidence. IMO
     
  9. Hippiemomof5

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    This case reminds me of poor little Isabella Grogan-Canella. She was found not far from her home as well and her perpetrator wasn’t related but was high and on foot when he left with her.

    Rest In Peace Lizzy.
     
  10. LusciousLeRoy

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    Huge clues to who? And why?
     
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  11. JaneEyre

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    I think she can post local perspective, as that is allowed for locals all the time.
     
  12. Inthedetails

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    Yes - I remember that case. Very similar. :(
     
  13. smucklecrumble

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    I wondered this.
     
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    This topic always reminds me of James Holmes (Aurora Theater shooter) where all parties agreed he was insane -- but not "criminally insane."

    And welcome to WS Roe19! :)
     
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    Now that I'm caught up, I wanted to add a little bit about this. This is Critical Incident Stress Management. Responders are often offered a Critical Incident Stress Debriefing after highly emotional missions, particularly gruesome finds, etc. Self care is important. All of you who were white-knuckling it along with me all weekend, and when the charges were announced, and when it was clear that the find was made, make sure YOU have someone to talk to, some healthy way to process this, someone to hug. If you don't have somebody, find somebody. I'd love it if a critical incident stress management expert would chime in here. I'm just a responder who has experienced that need.
     
  17. teedie2

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    Who cares what AW was thinking when he went to his sister's home? Of course, no premeditation.

    What was he thinking when he took this little five-year-old child from her home into the dark night, also taking a knife from the mother's knife block?

    Certainly not premeditated then, was it, lawyer-guy?

    BS!
     
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    What Does Heroin Do to You?

    From Balt and I see similar faces as his. Gaunt. Cheekbones sharp. His booking photo is different than the photo on page 1 (post #2) where he's healthier looking. JMO. Could be Meth. But I'd bet the farm he'd test positive for some type of drug.
     
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    Me either. If He went for a walk how did Elizabeth wind up dead, how did her DNA get on him. How did his,and her blood get on the pipe,and knife.
    He's a coward and trying to blame others for his cowardly,macabre acts.
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  20. geevee

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    His lawyer sounds like they may be considering an insanity defense. But considering he had to go to the kitchen to get the knife, that shows intention to do harm to her, not a spur of the moment panic kind of thing. I'm sure he has problems, but insanity is likely not one of them.

    Rest in peace, little one.
     
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