UT UT - Dylan Rounds, 19, wkg on farm, “weird run-in” with a guy walking on gravel rd, no phone & CC activity, Lucin, Box Elder Co, 25 May 2022

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I have received permission to share this new interview with CC.
This is on a one off basis only for this specific episode and is not a blanket approval for this channel including past episodes.






Here is a YT link for that video.

 

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I don’t think it was random sketchy people that wanted to steal from him (didn’t CC say there were transients with a large number of stolen vehicles kept out in the desert) or goons that wanted to vandalize his property as a warning or for fun. Unless he attracted the attention of a creepy stalker that he had no idea about, I think he knew the person who last interacted with him.

If there were a threat he might have told his family, but he lied about whether he gave CV a ride, so he is capable of hiding things. Gambling, the nearest casino is 80+ miles away; bookies want their debtors alive so they can pay them back. Other debts, don’t his grandparents have a partial stake in his farm so he doesn’t shoulder all of the bills? Pills, maybe. Meth is pervasive and fentanyl is in fashion right now, but he looks healthy and alert in his photos.

Whatever happened I think it came down to a personal conflict with this individual/group.
Dylan's mother said in one of the interviews that he had access to money in a bank account, but only withdrew a small sum each month. His biggest purchases were related to the farm. IMO, if he was into drugs, he would have used the money available to him.
 

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Summary of important information:
  • Dylan did drop out of high school to farm.
  • Dylan has a history of breaking phones and losing chargers. He was known to show up at CC's house unannounced in the middle of the night to get new chargers or buy a new phone.
  • His pistol and key fob are missing. His shotgun was found on DR's bed at his great-grandfather's house.
  • DR's pickup is registered to his dad, JR.
  • DR usually kept his pistol in his pickup.
  • Kurt worked on Dylan's farm and helped dig the irrigation pond. Kurt and his family also owned the Saddle Sore Bar. Kurt also helped search for DR. After the search, he called both CC and DR's grandmother to say DR was being held hostage somewhere in Montello.
  • Dylan talked with CC and JR about farming, animals, etc., but not personal stuff.
  • Dylan had a Snapchat.
  • Dylan would sometimes stay in Kurt's motor home near the Saddle Sore Bar when he got too tired to return home.
Some quotes from CC transcribed from the video above (BBM):

"He dropped out of high school to do this. Not of his father and I's liking, but he did it. That's been his everything, he lives, sleeps, eats, drinks, work. So Dylan did not walk away."

"I was lied to, I was told the boots were at the lab and there was blood on them." The host then asks CC if she knows for she it was blood, and CC responds "We do now, but when they told us on June 2nd, then, fastforward to that Saturday, [...] June 4th, Justin and I meet with detectives again and Justin asked them, 'Hey, what about the blood on the boots?' and it was just a deer in the headlights look. And they're like 'Oh, they haven't been to the lab yet.' So we were told the boots weren't even at the lab."

"Everything as far as criminal was dismissed. So then on June 4th we had friends and family, so many people come out to help us, I mean we had probably 250 people out there. We had no help from Box Elder County. [...] We had one deputy stationed with us that day, he stuck around for about two hours then he left, they didn't help organize any search efforts, they didn't talk to the people, it was all done by us."

"Dylan was famous for breaking phones. Breaking phones and losing chargers. But he finished his tractor work, so where I live, it's only 2 hours––not even 2 hours––he goes over the mountain and stock up on chargers, get a new phone, you know, in the middle of the night, you never knew until he was out in the driveway in his pickup."

CC is asked what was missing, and CC responds, "Dylan. And his key fob, and his pistol. That's it."

"All of his friends are in eastern Idaho where he did go to high school so no, there's no..."

The truck was in JR's name.

"That's why the the pickup is at the Idaho State Police is 'cause they [BECSO] allowed us to take it back, and so the Idaho State Police also reached out to help."

"We have information that we absolutely cannot release. It doesn't go back to any of this craziness that people have been hearing, and it is solid. It's solid."

DR usually kept the gun in his pickup.

CC says "it was just Don and Jim and Kurt" when asked if Dylan had any farm hands.

CC is asked whether she had talked to Kurt prior to Dylan's disappearance and she says, "No, nope. I knew who he was, and I knew Dylan was around him." "We'd go out to the farm, and Kurt was more in town in Montello, like I'd just go out to his farm."

"Tuesday, May 31st, Kurt was actually out helping us search. When he got back into town he called me, and he called me multiple times and I didn't answer 'cause I was on the phone trying to get some more help, and then [DR's grandmother] called and said 'Kurt has some information, you need to call him.' [...] Okay, so I get on the phone and I am told that Dylan is being held in this house in Montello and that this other gentleman gave CV a ride out there on Saturday, and it blows up into this 'maybe he's alive, he isn't, but this is where he's at. I got my brother watching the house, you know, we're not letting anybody leave.' Just mind-boggling. So I get on the phone and immediately try to get Box Elder County. No response. So then, in the meantime, Kurt calls me back again and he said 'well, it might be at a different house' but basically the same story. And I'm like 'where are you getting this?' and he's like 'well, this other gentleman personally told me that he,' and it's his house. The third phone call is with JR and I, Dylan's father, and at that point he's changed the story again that it might be at this other place but it's still the same two people."

"Elko sends out six people. They go search this gentleman's house. He and his mother let them search everything: open locked sheds, all the vehicles, on and on. Well, Elko, they come out, six deputies, they were in full force."

"The gun that was found was Dylan's shotgun. Dylan's shotgun was found, we were looking for it until I think it was Wednesday, when, Wednesday or Thursday, that Dylan's little brother went back and the shotgun was on Dylan's bed at the great-grandpa's place. So that's the gun that was found, was his shotgun."

CC is asked what Dylan has said about Kurt, and she responds, "That him and his family own the bar and they have karaoke on Saturday nights, and it's a place where he eats, so, you know."

CC is asked if Dylan was a private person or if he was open with her, and she says, "Oh yeah, he was just Dylan. He was just, you know, people say...I'm learning a lot, even from my aunt who is one of the school teachers, about all of his girlfriends and stuff. Dylan didn't talk to me about that stuff. Dylan talked to me about farming, same thing with his dad. That was, his dad and I, we all talked with him, talked about [unintelligible], talk about farming, talk about animals, and, that's what you talk about with Dylan."

"There is no grain silos on Dylan's farm."

When asked about whether Dylan had other shoes besides the boots that he wore when he would go out, CC responds, "Dylan didn't go out, guys. Dylan didn't go out. Dylan worked. That's like the video I put on FB on Christmas, that was Christmas of this year, at my parents, Christmas of '21, and he is in his work boots."

"I fully believe that all the people that were around Dylan know. It's too small. You don't go unnoticed. Strange things don't go unnoticed out there, how's that? Every winter that, you know, there's the Sun Tunnels there right on the way to Dylan's farm, and these people take walks out there [unintelligible]. Stuff doesn't go unnoticed. So people know, they're just not talking."

Dylan used Snapchat & FB, according to his mom who said she cross-referenced the "last snapchat on his phone, the last snapchat on my phone." "Nothing was deleted, everything was there. Every text message, every phone call from the last two weeks, you can pull that up from Verizon so, it was there, and there was nothing out of the ordinary."

CC is asked about whether Dylan stayed with Kurt, and she says, "So, a lot of times, you know, he'd go into town and hang out, he'd do the karaoke and, like I said, it's the only place you go, so when he'd go there and if he got tired, he'd just crash in the motor home. Nobody else lived in it, it was empty. It wasn't you know, it was just there."
 

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Summary of important information:
  • Dylan did drop out of high school to farm.
  • Dylan has a history of breaking phones and losing chargers. He was known to show up at CC's house unannounced in the middle of the night to get new chargers or buy a new phone.
  • His pistol and key fob are missing. His shotgun was found on DR's bed at his great-grandfather's house.
  • DR's pickup is registered to his dad, JR.
  • DR usually kept his pistol in his pickup.
  • Kurt worked on Dylan's farm and helped dig the irrigation pond. Kurt and his family also owned the Saddle Sore Bar. Kurt also helped search for DR. After the search, he called both CC and DR's grandmother to say DR was being held hostage somewhere in Montello.
  • Dylan talked with CC and JR about farming, animals, etc., but not personal stuff.
  • Dylan had a Snapchat.
  • Dylan would sometimes stay in Kurt's motor home near the Saddle Sore Bar when he got too tired to return home.
Some quotes from CC transcribed from the video above (BBM):

"He dropped out of high school to do this. Not of his father and I's liking, but he did it. That's been his everything, he lives, sleeps, eats, drinks, work. So Dylan did not walk away."

"I was lied to, I was told the boots were at the lab and there was blood on them." The host then asks CC if she knows for she it was blood, and CC responds "We do now, but when they told us on June 2nd, then, fastforward to that Saturday, [...] June 4th, Justin and I meet with detectives again and Justin asked them, 'Hey, what about the blood on the boots?' and it was just a deer in the headlights look. And they're like 'Oh, they haven't been to the lab yet.' So we were told the boots weren't even at the lab."

"Everything as far as criminal was dismissed. So then on June 4th we had friends and family, so many people come out to help us, I mean we had probably 250 people out there. We had no help from Box Elder County. [...] We had one deputy stationed with us that day, he stuck around for about two hours then he left, they didn't help organize any search efforts, they didn't talk to the people, it was all done by us."

"Dylan was famous for breaking phones. Breaking phones and losing chargers. But he finished his tractor work, so where I live, it's only 2 hours––not even 2 hours––he goes over the mountain and stock up on chargers, get a new phone, you know, in the middle of the night, you never knew until he was out in the driveway in his pickup."

CC is asked what was missing, and CC responds, "Dylan. And his key fob, and his pistol. That's it."

"All of his friends are in eastern Idaho where he did go to high school so no, there's no..."

The truck was in JR's name.

"That's why the the pickup is at the Idaho State Police is 'cause they [BECSO] allowed us to take it back, and so the Idaho State Police also reached out to help."

"We have information that we absolutely cannot release. It doesn't go back to any of this craziness that people have been hearing, and it is solid. It's solid."

DR usually kept the gun in his pickup.

CC says "it was just Don and Jim and Kurt" when asked if Dylan had any farm hands.

CC is asked whether she had talked to Kurt prior to Dylan's disappearance and she says, "No, nope. I knew who he was, and I knew Dylan was around him." "We'd go out to the farm, and Kurt was more in town in Montello, like I'd just go out to his farm."

"Tuesday, May 31st, Kurt was actually out helping us search. When he got back into town he called me, and he called me multiple times and I didn't answer 'cause I was on the phone trying to get some more help, and then [DR's grandmother] called and said 'Kurt has some information, you need to call him.' [...] Okay, so I get on the phone and I am told that Dylan is being held in this house in Montello and that this other gentleman gave CV a ride out there on Saturday, and it blows up into this 'maybe he's alive, he isn't, but this is where he's at. I got my brother watching the house, you know, we're not letting anybody leave.' Just mind-boggling. So I get on the phone and immediately try to get Box Elder County. No response. So then, in the meantime, Kurt calls me back again and he said 'well, it might be at a different house' but basically the same story. And I'm like 'where are you getting this?' and he's like 'well, this other gentleman personally told me that he,' and it's his house. The third phone call is with JR and I, Dylan's father, and at that point he's changed the story again that it might be at this other place but it's still the same two people."

"Elko sends out six people. They go search this gentleman's house. He and his mother let them search everything: open locked sheds, all the vehicles, on and on. Well, Elko, they come out, six deputies, they were in full force."

"The gun that was found was Dylan's shotgun. Dylan's shotgun was found, we were looking for it until I think it was Wednesday, when, Wednesday or Thursday, that Dylan's little brother went back and the shotgun was on Dylan's bed at the great-grandpa's place. So that's the gun that was found, was his shotgun."

CC is asked what Dylan has said about Kurt, and she responds, "That him and his family own the bar and they have karaoke on Saturday nights, and it's a place where he eats, so, you know."

CC is asked if Dylan was a private person or if he was open with her, and she says, "Oh yeah, he was just Dylan. He was just, you know, people say...I'm learning a lot, even from my aunt who is one of the school teachers, about all of his girlfriends and stuff. Dylan didn't talk to me about that stuff. Dylan talked to me about farming, same thing with his dad. That was, his dad and I, we all talked with him, talked about [unintelligible], talk about farming, talk about animals, and, that's what you talk about with Dylan."

"There is no grain silos on Dylan's farm."

When asked about whether Dylan had other shoes besides the boots that he wore when he would go out, CC responds, "Dylan didn't go out, guys. Dylan didn't go out. Dylan worked. That's like the video I put on FB on Christmas, that was Christmas of this year, at my parents, Christmas of '21, and he is in his work boots."

"I fully believe that all the people that were around Dylan know. It's too small. You don't go unnoticed. Strange things don't go unnoticed out there, how's that? Every winter that, you know, there's the Sun Tunnels there right on the way to Dylan's farm, and these people take walks out there [unintelligible]. Stuff doesn't go unnoticed. So people know, they're just not talking."

Dylan used Snapchat & FB, according to his mom who said she cross-referenced the "last snapchat on his phone, the last snapchat on my phone." "Nothing was deleted, everything was there. Every text message, every phone call from the last two weeks, you can pull that up from Verizon so, it was there, and there was nothing out of the ordinary."

CC is asked about whether Dylan stayed with Kurt, and she says, "So, a lot of times, you know, he'd go into town and hang out, he'd do the karaoke and, like I said, it's the only place you go, so when he'd go there and if he got tired, he'd just crash in the motor home. Nobody else lived in it, it was empty. It wasn't you know, it was just there."
Wow. Thank you for transcribing and sharing all of this! I need to read a few times to really get it all, but I definitely feel like there is new information here and a lot of important nuggets. For one- the whole “hostage call” situation alone is so interesting and bizarre to me. I just feel like it has got to play some part in what happened to Dylan… not that the hostage itself ever happened but the timing and players involved are too intertwined to be coincidental… in my opinion, of course.
 

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Summary of important information:
  • Dylan did drop out of high school to farm.
  • Dylan has a history of breaking phones and losing chargers. He was known to show up at CC's house unannounced in the middle of the night to get new chargers or buy a new phone.
  • His pistol and key fob are missing. His shotgun was found on DR's bed at his great-grandfather's house.
  • DR's pickup is registered to his dad, JR.
  • DR usually kept his pistol in his pickup.
  • Kurt worked on Dylan's farm and helped dig the irrigation pond. Kurt and his family also owned the Saddle Sore Bar. Kurt also helped search for DR. After the search, he called both CC and DR's grandmother to say DR was being held hostage somewhere in Montello.
  • Dylan talked with CC and JR about farming, animals, etc., but not personal stuff.
  • Dylan had a Snapchat.
  • Dylan would sometimes stay in Kurt's motor home near the Saddle Sore Bar when he got too tired to return home.
Some quotes from CC transcribed from the video above (BBM):

"He dropped out of high school to do this. Not of his father and I's liking, but he did it. That's been his everything, he lives, sleeps, eats, drinks, work. So Dylan did not walk away."

"I was lied to, I was told the boots were at the lab and there was blood on them." The host then asks CC if she knows for she it was blood, and CC responds "We do now, but when they told us on June 2nd, then, fastforward to that Saturday, [...] June 4th, Justin and I meet with detectives again and Justin asked them, 'Hey, what about the blood on the boots?' and it was just a deer in the headlights look. And they're like 'Oh, they haven't been to the lab yet.' So we were told the boots weren't even at the lab."

"Everything as far as criminal was dismissed. So then on June 4th we had friends and family, so many people come out to help us, I mean we had probably 250 people out there. We had no help from Box Elder County. [...] We had one deputy stationed with us that day, he stuck around for about two hours then he left, they didn't help organize any search efforts, they didn't talk to the people, it was all done by us."

"Dylan was famous for breaking phones. Breaking phones and losing chargers. But he finished his tractor work, so where I live, it's only 2 hours––not even 2 hours––he goes over the mountain and stock up on chargers, get a new phone, you know, in the middle of the night, you never knew until he was out in the driveway in his pickup."

CC is asked what was missing, and CC responds, "Dylan. And his key fob, and his pistol. That's it."

"All of his friends are in eastern Idaho where he did go to high school so no, there's no..."

The truck was in JR's name.

"That's why the the pickup is at the Idaho State Police is 'cause they [BECSO] allowed us to take it back, and so the Idaho State Police also reached out to help."

"We have information that we absolutely cannot release. It doesn't go back to any of this craziness that people have been hearing, and it is solid. It's solid."

DR usually kept the gun in his pickup.

CC says "it was just Don and Jim and Kurt" when asked if Dylan had any farm hands.

CC is asked whether she had talked to Kurt prior to Dylan's disappearance and she says, "No, nope. I knew who he was, and I knew Dylan was around him." "We'd go out to the farm, and Kurt was more in town in Montello, like I'd just go out to his farm."

"Tuesday, May 31st, Kurt was actually out helping us search. When he got back into town he called me, and he called me multiple times and I didn't answer 'cause I was on the phone trying to get some more help, and then [DR's grandmother] called and said 'Kurt has some information, you need to call him.' [...] Okay, so I get on the phone and I am told that Dylan is being held in this house in Montello and that this other gentleman gave CV a ride out there on Saturday, and it blows up into this 'maybe he's alive, he isn't, but this is where he's at. I got my brother watching the house, you know, we're not letting anybody leave.' Just mind-boggling. So I get on the phone and immediately try to get Box Elder County. No response. So then, in the meantime, Kurt calls me back again and he said 'well, it might be at a different house' but basically the same story. And I'm like 'where are you getting this?' and he's like 'well, this other gentleman personally told me that he,' and it's his house. The third phone call is with JR and I, Dylan's father, and at that point he's changed the story again that it might be at this other place but it's still the same two people."

"Elko sends out six people. They go search this gentleman's house. He and his mother let them search everything: open locked sheds, all the vehicles, on and on. Well, Elko, they come out, six deputies, they were in full force."

"The gun that was found was Dylan's shotgun. Dylan's shotgun was found, we were looking for it until I think it was Wednesday, when, Wednesday or Thursday, that Dylan's little brother went back and the shotgun was on Dylan's bed at the great-grandpa's place. So that's the gun that was found, was his shotgun."

CC is asked what Dylan has said about Kurt, and she responds, "That him and his family own the bar and they have karaoke on Saturday nights, and it's a place where he eats, so, you know."

CC is asked if Dylan was a private person or if he was open with her, and she says, "Oh yeah, he was just Dylan. He was just, you know, people say...I'm learning a lot, even from my aunt who is one of the school teachers, about all of his girlfriends and stuff. Dylan didn't talk to me about that stuff. Dylan talked to me about farming, same thing with his dad. That was, his dad and I, we all talked with him, talked about [unintelligible], talk about farming, talk about animals, and, that's what you talk about with Dylan."

"There is no grain silos on Dylan's farm."

When asked about whether Dylan had other shoes besides the boots that he wore when he would go out, CC responds, "Dylan didn't go out, guys. Dylan didn't go out. Dylan worked. That's like the video I put on FB on Christmas, that was Christmas of this year, at my parents, Christmas of '21, and he is in his work boots."

"I fully believe that all the people that were around Dylan know. It's too small. You don't go unnoticed. Strange things don't go unnoticed out there, how's that? Every winter that, you know, there's the Sun Tunnels there right on the way to Dylan's farm, and these people take walks out there [unintelligible]. Stuff doesn't go unnoticed. So people know, they're just not talking."

Dylan used Snapchat & FB, according to his mom who said she cross-referenced the "last snapchat on his phone, the last snapchat on my phone." "Nothing was deleted, everything was there. Every text message, every phone call from the last two weeks, you can pull that up from Verizon so, it was there, and there was nothing out of the ordinary."

CC is asked about whether Dylan stayed with Kurt, and she says, "So, a lot of times, you know, he'd go into town and hang out, he'd do the karaoke and, like I said, it's the only place you go, so when he'd go there and if he got tired, he'd just crash in the motor home. Nobody else lived in it, it was empty. It wasn't you know, it was just there."
Thank you for this.

Not to contradict CC, but Dylan did in fact “go out” didn’t he? Maybe only to the Saddle Sore or wherever else there, but to me that is going out, socialising.

The issue re Dylan being held hostage I still find really weird. At best it was K misunderstanding something, or someone making a twisted joke. At worst, there was truth somewhere.

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Thank you for this.

Not to contradict CC, but Dylan did in fact “go out” didn’t he? Maybe only to the Saddle Sore or wherever else there, but to me that is going out, socialising.

The issue re Dylan being held hostage I still find really weird. At best it was K misunderstanding something, or someone making a twisted joke. At worst, there was truth somewhere.

JMO
I totally agree with this re: Dylan going out. I find the whole aspect of his social life and what his parents knew and did not know interesting. I don’t think them not knowing what he did is abnormal at all, but I think there is so much more to his life that is trickling out as this investigation goes on, and it certainly would make things more complicated to figure out from LE perspective as his parents believed all he ever did was work but there were a lot of other people who knew Dylan and interacted with him on a fairly regular basis.

How far away did his mom live? I thought the point of him showing up in the middle of the night to get a phone charger was funny. Makes it sound like she is just down the road but I don’t think that’s the case. May give another glimpse into his life/schedule if he was showing up at her house in the middle of the night for a charger. I know it’s vital to his phone working, but interesting he’d travel so late just for a phone charger, when I expect he’d also be getting up quite early each morning to work.
 

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Okay, so I get on the phone and I am told that Dylan is being held in this house in Montello and that this other gentleman gave CV a ride out there on Saturday, and it blows up into this 'maybe he's alive, he isn't, but this is where he's at.
This hostage story is soo strange.

And didn’t Dylan’s parents initially say they found out the story was told by Kurt to try to get police involved in the disappearance investigation because prior to this they weren’t yet treating it in that manner?
 
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I totally agree with this re: Dylan going out. I find the whole aspect of his social life and what his parents knew and did not know interesting. I don’t think them not knowing what he did is abnormal at all, but I think there is so much more to his life that is trickling out as this investigation goes on, and it certainly would make things more complicated to figure out from LE perspective as his parents believed all he ever did was work but there were a lot of other people who knew Dylan and interacted with him on a fairly regular basis.

How far away did his mom live? I thought the point of him showing up in the middle of the night to get a phone charger was funny. Makes it sound like she is just down the road but I don’t think that’s the case. May give another glimpse into his life/schedule if he was showing up at her house in the middle of the night for a charger. I know it’s vital to his phone working, but interesting he’d travel so late just for a phone charger, when I expect he’d also be getting up quite early each morning to work.
Good point re the charger. May be it was because his phone was his lifeline being so remote but maybe like the 20s I know, being connected with friends is a priority.

I read up thread that CC said she is under 2 hours. Not sure where you are based because I know distance is somehow not such an issue in the US, but a four hour round trip for me would be a significant journey!
 

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Good point re the charger. May be it was because his phone was his lifeline being so remote but maybe like the 20s I know, being connected with friends is a priority.

I read up thread that CC said she is under 2 hours. Not sure where you are based because I know distance is somehow not such an issue in the US, but a four hour round trip for me would be a significant journey!
Yes. I live in the Midwest US, and while a 4 hour round trip is not super significant, it would be for a phone charger… but again, like you said, if that was his only means of communication, it makes sense. I think the fact of him driving in the middle of the night for a charger could speak to the significance of his social life… I know Snapchat is very popular w Dylan’s age group, but I think it’s an interesting account for him to have, especially w as much as his parents insist that all he did was work, eat, and sleep. I’m just seems his phone and its portal to the life lived on social media were more important to him than his parents realized, in my opinion.

(And again- all of this is very common for “kids” his age. For parents not to know what’s going on, social media accounts, unknown social life, etc. I just think it’s worth noting because there is likely a whole other side of Dylan which hasn’t become clear yet, and this could certainly lend clues to the investigation.)
 

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"Dylan was famous for breaking phones. Breaking phones and losing chargers. But he finished his tractor work, so where I live, it's only 2 hours––not even 2 hours––he goes over the mountain and stock up on chargers, get a new phone, you know, in the middle of the night, you never knew until he was out in the driveway in his pickup."

I apologize, I am unable to listen to the YT video at this time, but what was the context of CC discussing Dylan’s habit of broken phone/lost chargers? Was it in relation to his disappearance or just a side note shared about him? Curious because in the quote above I can’t quite figure out if she’s talking about something recent (“finished his tractor work” makes it sound like a specific incident) and if so, what kind of significance this has on the investigation.
 

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Summary of important information:
  • Dylan did drop out of high school to farm.
  • Dylan has a history of breaking phones and losing chargers. He was known to show up at CC's house unannounced in the middle of the night to get new chargers or buy a new phone.
  • His pistol and key fob are missing. His shotgun was found on DR's bed at his great-grandfather's house.
  • DR's pickup is registered to his dad, JR.
  • DR usually kept his pistol in his pickup.
  • Kurt worked on Dylan's farm and helped dig the irrigation pond. Kurt and his family also owned the Saddle Sore Bar. Kurt also helped search for DR. After the search, he called both CC and DR's grandmother to say DR was being held hostage somewhere in Montello.
  • Dylan talked with CC and JR about farming, animals, etc., but not personal stuff.
  • Dylan had a Snapchat.
  • Dylan would sometimes stay in Kurt's motor home near the Saddle Sore Bar when he got too tired to return home.
Some quotes from CC transcribed from the video above (BBM):

"He dropped out of high school to do this. Not of his father and I's liking, but he did it. That's been his everything, he lives, sleeps, eats, drinks, work. So Dylan did not walk away."

"I was lied to, I was told the boots were at the lab and there was blood on them." The host then asks CC if she knows for she it was blood, and CC responds "We do now, but when they told us on June 2nd, then, fastforward to that Saturday, [...] June 4th, Justin and I meet with detectives again and Justin asked them, 'Hey, what about the blood on the boots?' and it was just a deer in the headlights look. And they're like 'Oh, they haven't been to the lab yet.' So we were told the boots weren't even at the lab."

"Everything as far as criminal was dismissed. So then on June 4th we had friends and family, so many people come out to help us, I mean we had probably 250 people out there. We had no help from Box Elder County. [...] We had one deputy stationed with us that day, he stuck around for about two hours then he left, they didn't help organize any search efforts, they didn't talk to the people, it was all done by us."

"Dylan was famous for breaking phones. Breaking phones and losing chargers. But he finished his tractor work, so where I live, it's only 2 hours––not even 2 hours––he goes over the mountain and stock up on chargers, get a new phone, you know, in the middle of the night, you never knew until he was out in the driveway in his pickup."

CC is asked what was missing, and CC responds, "Dylan. And his key fob, and his pistol. That's it."

"All of his friends are in eastern Idaho where he did go to high school so no, there's no..."

The truck was in JR's name.

"That's why the the pickup is at the Idaho State Police is 'cause they [BECSO] allowed us to take it back, and so the Idaho State Police also reached out to help."

"We have information that we absolutely cannot release. It doesn't go back to any of this craziness that people have been hearing, and it is solid. It's solid."

DR usually kept the gun in his pickup.

CC says "it was just Don and Jim and Kurt" when asked if Dylan had any farm hands.

CC is asked whether she had talked to Kurt prior to Dylan's disappearance and she says, "No, nope. I knew who he was, and I knew Dylan was around him." "We'd go out to the farm, and Kurt was more in town in Montello, like I'd just go out to his farm."

"Tuesday, May 31st, Kurt was actually out helping us search. When he got back into town he called me, and he called me multiple times and I didn't answer 'cause I was on the phone trying to get some more help, and then [DR's grandmother] called and said 'Kurt has some information, you need to call him.' [...] Okay, so I get on the phone and I am told that Dylan is being held in this house in Montello and that this other gentleman gave CV a ride out there on Saturday, and it blows up into this 'maybe he's alive, he isn't, but this is where he's at. I got my brother watching the house, you know, we're not letting anybody leave.' Just mind-boggling. So I get on the phone and immediately try to get Box Elder County. No response. So then, in the meantime, Kurt calls me back again and he said 'well, it might be at a different house' but basically the same story. And I'm like 'where are you getting this?' and he's like 'well, this other gentleman personally told me that he,' and it's his house. The third phone call is with JR and I, Dylan's father, and at that point he's changed the story again that it might be at this other place but it's still the same two people."

"Elko sends out six people. They go search this gentleman's house. He and his mother let them search everything: open locked sheds, all the vehicles, on and on. Well, Elko, they come out, six deputies, they were in full force."

"The gun that was found was Dylan's shotgun. Dylan's shotgun was found, we were looking for it until I think it was Wednesday, when, Wednesday or Thursday, that Dylan's little brother went back and the shotgun was on Dylan's bed at the great-grandpa's place. So that's the gun that was found, was his shotgun."

CC is asked what Dylan has said about Kurt, and she responds, "That him and his family own the bar and they have karaoke on Saturday nights, and it's a place where he eats, so, you know."

CC is asked if Dylan was a private person or if he was open with her, and she says, "Oh yeah, he was just Dylan. He was just, you know, people say...I'm learning a lot, even from my aunt who is one of the school teachers, about all of his girlfriends and stuff. Dylan didn't talk to me about that stuff. Dylan talked to me about farming, same thing with his dad. That was, his dad and I, we all talked with him, talked about [unintelligible], talk about farming, talk about animals, and, that's what you talk about with Dylan."

"There is no grain silos on Dylan's farm."

When asked about whether Dylan had other shoes besides the boots that he wore when he would go out, CC responds, "Dylan didn't go out, guys. Dylan didn't go out. Dylan worked. That's like the video I put on FB on Christmas, that was Christmas of this year, at my parents, Christmas of '21, and he is in his work boots."

"I fully believe that all the people that were around Dylan know. It's too small. You don't go unnoticed. Strange things don't go unnoticed out there, how's that? Every winter that, you know, there's the Sun Tunnels there right on the way to Dylan's farm, and these people take walks out there [unintelligible]. Stuff doesn't go unnoticed. So people know, they're just not talking."

Dylan used Snapchat & FB, according to his mom who said she cross-referenced the "last snapchat on his phone, the last snapchat on my phone." "Nothing was deleted, everything was there. Every text message, every phone call from the last two weeks, you can pull that up from Verizon so, it was there, and there was nothing out of the ordinary."

CC is asked about whether Dylan stayed with Kurt, and she says, "So, a lot of times, you know, he'd go into town and hang out, he'd do the karaoke and, like I said, it's the only place you go, so when he'd go there and if he got tired, he'd just crash in the motor home. Nobody else lived in it, it was empty. It wasn't you know, it was just there."
A few of my main takeaways: when it comes to DR's personal life, CC seems to have incomplete information. She claims Dylan talked to her and JR about everything, but then says he didn't talk to them about personal things, only "farming" and "animals."

I also found it a bit weird how CC seemed to minimize the fact that DR would sometimes sleep in Kurt's motor home when he was at the Saddle Sore as "oh, he would just get too tired to drive home so he would stay there" as if it isn't significant that DR would spend the night somewhere other than his own trailer. IMO, it sounds like DR and Kurt had more than just a business or acquaintance-type relationship, as I can't imagine Kurt would let random people stay overnight in his motor home. Clearly Kurt had a level of trust in DR to allow him stay there.

Also, the fact that CC said DR used Snapchat was interesting. Hypothetically, if he was communicating with someone (or multiple someones) that he didn't want his parents to know about, Snapchat is the go-to app for that as messages are automatically deleted.

It is a bit unsettling to me that CC and JR were the first ones to comb through DR's phone. I completely understand them being the first ones to gain access to the information, as JR seems to have been the account holder with Verizon, but IMO them digging through the contents of the phone before LE will only help the defense if a person(s) is arrested in connection with DR's disappearance.

MOO.
 

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I apologize, I am unable to listen to the YT video at this time, but what was the context of CC discussing Dylan’s habit of broken phone/lost chargers? Was it in relation to his disappearance or just a side note shared about him? Curious because in the quote above I can’t quite figure out if she’s talking about something recent (“finished his tractor work” makes it sound like a specific incident) and if so, what kind of significance this has on the investigation.
She was using it to contextualize the fact that it raised a red flag when they hadn't heard from him and he hadn't shown up at CC's house (so if his phone broke or he couldn't charge it, he would immediately drive to CC's house to get a new charger/phone, and the fact he hadn't done that made them suspicious).
 

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She was using it to contextualize the fact that it raised a red flag when they hadn't heard from him and he hadn't shown up at CC's house (so if his phone broke or he couldn't charge it, he would immediately drive to CC's house to get a new charger/phone, and the fact he hadn't done that made them suspicious).
Ah thank you, that definitely makes sense.
 

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I also found it a bit weird how CC seemed to minimize the fact that DR would sometimes sleep in Kurt's motor home when he was at the Saddle Sore as "oh, he would just get too tired to drive home so he would stay there" as if it isn't significant that DR would spend the night somewhere other than his own trailer. IMO, it sounds like DR and Kurt had more than just a business or acquaintance-type relationship, as I can't imagine Kurt would let random people stay overnight in his motor home. Clearly Kurt had a level of trust in DR to allow him stay there.

Yeah I read it differently, because she made sure to clarify that no one else lived there and it was empty. But I definitely could see how she maybe meant no one EXCEPT Kurt lived there, I think it’s strange she would also say it’s empty if Kurt also stayed there.
Either way though, I think it’s significant. And I also think it may be important that, like you said, CC downplayed the fact that Dylan would stay there sometimes because either way it was someone in Dylan’s life that she knew something about, but maybe to her knowledge it was solely a working relationship .
Although.. I’m sure she is wary of saying anything at this point that could be misconstrued or cause people to think things are important when she has more insider knowledge to know they aren’t important … if that makes sense.
 

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I don’t think it was random sketchy people that wanted to steal from him (didn’t CC say there were transients with a large number of stolen vehicles kept out in the desert) or goons that wanted to vandalize his property as a warning or for fun. Unless he attracted the attention of a creepy stalker that he had no idea about, I think he knew the person who last interacted with him.

If there were a threat he might have told his family, but he lied about whether he gave CV a ride, so he is capable of hiding things. Gambling, the nearest casino is 80+ miles away; bookies want their debtors alive so they can pay them back. Other debts, don’t his grandparents have a partial stake in his farm so he doesn’t shoulder all of the bills? Pills, maybe. Meth is pervasive and fentanyl is in fashion right now, but he looks healthy and alert in his photos.

Whatever happened I think it came down to a personal conflict with this individual/group.

I'm trying to get up to speed on this case, so wondering if someone can confirm for me: How do we know for sure that Dylan actually gave CV a ride? TIA.
 

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This hostage story is soo strange.

And didn’t Dylan’s parents initially say they found out the story was told by Kurt to try to get police involved in the disappearance investigation because prior to this they weren’t yet treating it in that manner?
I don't think so because the hostage story was in a totally different jurisdiction. The parents were complaining about the lack of response from Box Elder County UT LE.
 

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Some quotes from CC transcribed from the video above (BBM):

DR usually kept the gun in his pickup.
The one nugget I find interesting is that Dylan normally kept his gun in his pick-up. Assuming they mean his missing pistol and not the shotgun? My point is mute if CC is referencing the shotgun.

If indeed Dylan drove the grain truck from his camper to the shed on that Saturday, there's a good chance he didn't have his gun with him. He wouldn't have had it for protection, and/or to be used against him. I wonder where in his pick-up he kept it...center console? side of door? or under the driver's seat which could open possibilities why it was moved? Also, if indeed someone else drove Dylan's pickup, as the family suspects, did they know Dylan normally kept his gun here and made sure to remove it before returning the pickup to his trailer.
 
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I’m so confused!

It appears to me that Dylan did have a social life to a degree and I don’t understand why CC wants everyone to believe he didn’t.

How and why was his shotgun found on Dylan’s bed in his Great Grandfather’s house? Where is that house? Is this significant?

Hostage story comes from Kurt but he keeps changing his story. Kurt worked on the farm as well as owning the Saddle Sore Bar which is where Dylan would eat and socialize but he didn’t have a social life. Add to that he sometimes stayed in Kurt’s trailer if he was too tired to drive home but no one was there. It was empty. OK

The shoeless guy that Dylan did or didn’t give a drive to and a pair of boots that may have a spot of blood on them are also thrown into the mix.

TBH, I can’t get a “feel” for Dylan. I want to but none of it makes sense.

I sure hope that LE and the FBI have some solid intel because I haven’t got a clue anymore.

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