Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020 #2

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  1. doublestop

    doublestop Well-Known Member

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    Holly Suzanne Courtier was last seen in Zion NP park on October 6, 2020 at about 1:30 p.m.

    Courtier was dropped off at the Grotto parking area by a private shuttle, and was scheduled to be picked up at 4:40 p.m. that same day. She did not return for her scheduled pickup.

    Courtier is 38 years old, 5'03" tall, and weighs approximately 125 pounds. She has brown hair and blue eyes. Her intended travel plan from the Grotto parking area and her current whereabouts are unknown. An active search for her is underway in Zion National Park, and US Park Rangers are investigating this missing person case with Washington County Sheriff's Office.

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  2. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Posts containing information from family social media or comments from social media have been removed.

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  4. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Not the same. SP is/was a criminal investigation right away that tells us limited information will be released to the public. I'm referring to a lost hiker where no foul play is involved.
     
  5. JudgeJoe

    JudgeJoe Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think we know where she hung her hammock day 1- just where a tipster saw it the day she was found. Idk why not crawl back to the trailhead.
     
  6. LietKynes

    LietKynes "Law is the ultimate science" Liet Kynes

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    Thanks for the confirmation about the hammock.
    I was curious about that.
     
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  7. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    Mountaineering SARs are often published. If you're actually in Washington, you might be interested in the SARs on Rainier. I find them fascinating: I read them all the time, especially for the Cascades (you'll see them in mountaineering mags, too).

    Here's one source: Search and Rescue Reports - Mount Rainier National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
     
  8. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    Cool, I have whistles on the windows of our apartment, we have seen all kinds of things happening below on the street. You whistle, they stop doing what they are doing, wondering where it is coming from .
     
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  9. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    No, but if that question is about inserting a photo, I reminded myself that you have to go under "More Options" and then an extra manipulation or two. So I got it on there!
     
  10. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Well-Known Member

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    In our last county they published details from all of their SARS too. I like reading how they went about the search and what methods they use for rescue. Kids stuck on a lake, kids on a hike crossed a stream on a nice day then snow melted up high and stream turned into a raging river, ice climber fell, etc. just interesting reading.
     
  11. LietKynes

    LietKynes "Law is the ultimate science" Liet Kynes

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    bbm
    A link to the families' statement regarding offering to to refund without resistance would be good.
    Otherwise it's courteous to place an "In my opinion" after your comment to differentiate between the facts of this case and your opinions.
    It's easy to say you will happily return all of the crowd funding money but another thing to actually do it.
    My guess is that they're not going to want to let go of this windfall.

    Agreed with you ... it IS a mysterious case !
    Not sure if criminal, though, as the sheriff didn't come out and say it was a 'scam'; but a troubling one for sure what with the family first saying she hit her head early on and then LE saying there was no head injury.
    Along with the families' other conflicting evidence.
    IMO
     
  12. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    To be clear, I'm referring to cases where no foul play involved or suspicious death. I'm talking about a lost hiker that was found safe where the case is most likely closed, and where the hiker walks away and never looks back. The cases you cite have nothing in common with my reference. I'm familiar with how the FOIA works but never made a request without a cause number. If you don't know, no worries.
     
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  13. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    I'm assuming from the tips received that she did not move any further. Plus the Robinson Crusoe markings seen today..
     
  14. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Perfect -- thanks for your courtesy and a direct answer to my question! I have a starting point for my inquiry.
     
  15. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    There is a SAR rescue report on Zion Park website also.
     
  16. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    This, exactly.My reference ^^^, whether the hiker comes out alive, is medevac-ed, broke their leg, fell 300 meters of a glacier, forgot their boots, was wearing jeans, didn't have their 10 essentials, ignored the weather. Got up a cliff, but couldn't get down (one of my faves). The entire range of guilt-trip possibilities, a veritable catalog of everything you might have done wrong. From the safety of your living room, this is scintillating reading IMO.
     
  17. JudgeJoe

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    Actually the Hawaii lady is exactly that. There’s also the cliff lady later brought up on fraud charges. Linked earlier upthread. With the sheriff’s reporting in this case, there will be a follow up report and there will be people seeking to read it. Not sure what the issue is.
     
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    Now that I think of it, in all the SARs reports I've read, I can't recall ever seeing one where the missing person went missing intentionally or contributed to their missing-ness.
     
  19. JudgeJoe

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    Lol. RC... If those were made day by day. Who knows! At this point I feel the sheriff & NPS statements are the only ones to count on for accuracy.
     
  20. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Each of the rescuers working the Zion park are volunteers, and they have broken their record at 135-- and the park still open.

    Washington County breaks record for search and rescue calls in 2020 | ABC4 Utah

    Posted: Sep 29, 2020 / 04:05 PM MDT / Updated: Oct 6, 2020 / 04:54 PM MDT
    Stories of survival: adventures with search and rescue
    “At the rate we’re going, we’re going to be in the 160 range for rescues,” Cashin said. “I’m concerned when we start pushing 180’s or 200’s. When you’re calling your volunteers that much, it’s becoming a job that they’re not being paid for.”

    In a normal year, when temperatures push 105 or 110 degrees, calls for rescues tend to decrease significantly. This year, that didn’t happen. In fact, based on current figures, search and rescue teams are receiving a call-out every 2.03 days on average, according to Cashin.
     

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