Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020 #2

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  1. LAhiker

    LAhiker Well-Known Member

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    I think this is an excellent theory. Many REIs have floors like that. Maybe LE/SAR found the receipt in her car and then had the relevant store pull their CCTV video so they could post a recent photo of Courtier?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/...360-adf8-5ea3a8b453af-Capture3.PNG?width=1588

    JMO
     
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  2. dmac55

    dmac55 Well-Known Member

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  3. K9Enzo

    K9Enzo Well-Known Member

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    A nod to your excellent post.

    Why search and rescue is a free, non-judgmental service in B.C. - Castlegar News
     
  4. mrstfs

    mrstfs Well-Known Member

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    You’re right, per - “Investigators discovered Holly's vehicle outside the park. Inside, there was a receipt for a backpack that investigators believe the mom may have taken with her on her walk.“
    Teen makes plea to find her missing mom, 38, who vanished in Zion National Park | Daily Mail Online
     
  5. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    I considered this, but NPS facilities would also have lanes marked and plexiglass partitions, because they have areas that are staffed behind counters. And COVID has made all kinds of non-stores look like stores! And the floors in Park facilities often look like REI's floors! Plus, HC is carrying a full pack. I don't think they'd even allow that in an REI. So, I settled on it being a visitor area in the Park, whether a souvenir store, information area... I wonder if it's a prepared food pick-up area....
    Do we know what date the CCTV photo is?
     
  6. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    I think it's Colorado that has SAR card you can buy. It's not insurance, but it creates a pool of funding for SAR; you can't be rescued if local SARs don't have funding. I really wish they'd offer it in every state. Actually, I think backcountry users should be required to carry one.
    CoSAR Card
     
  7. MsMarple

    MsMarple Well-Known Member

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    Cripes. From your link:
    Twelve days of searching for one woman in one of America's most treacherous and beloved frontiers ended in a rescue.

    Holly Courtier, a 38-year-old California mom, was found last week on Oct. 18 in Zion National Park visibly famished, pounds lighter, with a concussion, kidney failure, foot injuries due to the cold and dehydrated, according to her family.

    What was supposed to be a brief spiritual pilgrimage turned instead into a fight for her life.
    Holly Courtier's rescue in Zion National Park led to rumors, theories

    This is a very long article and worth reading as family members attempted to tell a fuller story about what happened. Some new statements and some old ones repeated.

    Take from it what you will... Maybe it's time for the family to stop speaking to the media??
     
  8. Ontario Mom

    Ontario Mom stay safe ♥ be kind

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    I get such a weird Papini-esque vibe from this case.
    I agree, I think it best if the family just stopped responding to media.

    jmo
     
  9. dmac55

    dmac55 Well-Known Member

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  10. dmac55

    dmac55 Well-Known Member

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    Re: dehydration and kidney function

    I was severely dehydrated and told my kidneys were failing a couple of years ago - different mechanism (gastrointestinal flu), same result

    I was admitted to the hospital on the dialysis floor and stayed there for 5days
    Luckily, IV fluids remedied the situation, so i never had dialysis, but for 3 of the days, it was a constant possibility

    I could walk and talk, and could have yelled if i wanted to the entire time
    I was tired

    My family would have never agreed to help me if i wanted to leave the hospital against medical advice, nor would they have flown with me anywhere, no matter if i wanted to

    So i don't understand Holly's experience

    My experience + the caveat that i understand not all families are the same
     
  11. MsMarple

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    Oh FGS, now HC had "a tiny bit of water" due to her swishing the toxic river water in her mouth and spitting it out - for 12 days?? This is one lucky woman. Sigh.

    Unfortunately, IMO the family continues to shade the story according to how they think their audience will react. HC had water, er no she didn't have water, er, well she had swished water. Please. Stick to one story or just stop talking! MOO.

    ETA: I'm starting to feel angry at this family. HC was *not* an experienced hiker by any means, she *didn't* survive 12 days on either no water or mouth-swished water, how did she take a "very long" hike the first day right before slamming her head on the tree holding her hammock, get a concussion from it yet be found 1/2 mile from the Grotto drop off where she started? Is 1/2 mile considered a "very long" hike by this family?

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  12. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    In fact the Sharpie makes sense to me. You cannot write holding a ballpoint pen horizontally - the ink stops flowing- and you cannot use a ballpoint to write on wet or humid surfaces. If you were to use a ballpoint on a tree you would leave pretty unreadable scratches.

    You can also use a Sharpie to mark your possessions.

    But, on the other hand you would not use a Sharpie to write notes or a journal because the head is too thick
     
  13. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    We need Gitana's input for this one. Based upon Judge Joe's comments (where is he?) there may be a case for fraud.

    In any case HC herself has not provided any comment. She had nothing to do with the funding campaign in visible terms.
     
  14. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    Links don't work.
     
  15. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    License plates benefit search and rescue

    A lot of states have options to support SAR by buying specialized license plates when they renew their car registration, or register their car.
     
  16. MsMarple

    MsMarple Well-Known Member

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  17. Seni

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    Nope, still doesn't open.
     
  18. Jo in Calif

    Jo in Calif Well-Known Member

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    Sharpie makes a fine point and ultra fine point marker.
     
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  19. MsMarple

    MsMarple Well-Known Member

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    ?? It works for me. Sorry. Were you able to see the earlier link from @mrstfs (Post #356) to the most recent supplement from the Washington County Sheriff's Office? If so then you should be able to get to the other releases. I can't think of anything else to help. But I cut and pasted the entire report.
     
  20. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, the thin ones do, but they would not have been used for tree markings.
     

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