Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020 #2

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  1. dmac55

    dmac55 Well-Known Member

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  2. dmac55

    dmac55 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for explaining it
     
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  3. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    #Sharpiegate

    BTW, I wouldn't let HC watch a hamster, let alone children. After this fiasco, whether it was a manic mental illness episode, or on a fasting/prayer/spiritual journey, or whatever her plan was. She obviously demonstrated poor insight and lack of sense. I think that the nanny jobs are done.
     
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  4. LietKynes

    LietKynes "Law is the ultimate science."- Liet Kynes

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    Bbm

    It's never wrong to plan ahead.
    Some sarcasm intended.

    Speculation : This never seemed like what her family is telling us happened.
    Imo.
     
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  5. Trebor5591

    Trebor5591 Well-Known Member

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    I agree--a Sharpie is a weird item to take on a spirtual quest/hike. But did she actually have once with her? Are we sure that the hashmarks are real? To me, it appears they could be possibly photoshopped. What do you think? HC Tree.jpg
     
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  6. Backstroke10

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    Those are some darn good hash marks. The spacing between each line and each set is near perfect. I’m not sure I could do that so perfectly even on paper. MOO
     
  7. Evilxelvis138

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    To me it looks real, I can see distinct imperfections on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th hash where it was drawn against that knot in the wood.

    Doesn’t look like it was drawn under stress or peril though. Looks artistic to me, such a shame.
     
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  8. TaylorJ4

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    I thought she was laying by the river, too weak to move? How did she manage to get to the tree daily and stand to make a mark, then get back to the water's edge?
     
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  9. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    Heck, forget the hash marks... I still can't figure out how she didn't roll into the river in the middle of the night, since she evidently hung out in a state of collapse right next to it so she could wet her lips with the water. For over a week.
    She'd have been chronically wet hanging out, lying on the ground, that close to a river, night after night, day after day. Yet no hypothermia?
    And her blankie was dry when they found her? How is that even possible when you're lying next to a river? Too incapacitated to call for help....
     
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    I remain curious about local grocery store cameras during her missing time period...and multiple deleted sm postings prior to disappearance...feel pretty confident LE has access and/or received screenshots.

    the truth needs to be exposed...for the welfare of the mentally ill and SAR!!!
     
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  11. MsBetsy

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    She was found in a thickly vegetative area 'along' the river. I don't think she lay on the ground, she probably slept in the hammock. The spot she was found in seemed pretty well hidden. I wonder if she was in the hammock when the child spotted it. Maybe curled up with her blanket and her Bible.
     
  12. mickey2942

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    Don't forget her Sharpie.
     
  13. Auntie_Seagull

    Auntie_Seagull Former Member

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    If I remember Holly's story well she hit her head while trying to hang the hammock. So who finished hanging said hammock if she was all dazed from concussion? And how a woman who was too weak to open her mouth and scream, managed to scramble in and out of the hammock, day after day?
    Sorry, still nothing adds up here.
     
  14. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I thought they said she hit her head when she sat up in the hammock, which would imply it was already hanging between the two trees. Imo
     
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  15. Auntie_Seagull

    Auntie_Seagull Former Member

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    Even better. Wasn't able to get into the hammock without giving herself a concussion when (more or less) healthy, but had no problem with it after a head injury and heavily dehydrated?
    Sure.
     
  16. MsMarple

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    Take your pick. :rolleyes:

    "I guess when she sat into her hammock one of the first times and kind of swung back, she hit her head very hard on the sharp edge of the tree," Strong said.
    Woodland Hills hiker rescued in Zion National Park left to go on spiritual journey, family says

    Jaime Strong, Courtier’s sister, told ABC News the hiker suffered a concussion while setting up her hammock along the Virgin River and became so disoriented she couldn’t call for help or take more than a few steps without collapsing.
    Washington County Sheriff's Office criminally investigating Holly Courtier case inside Zion National Park
     
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    This might be my first case where I actually put the time into submitting a FOIA request and pay whatever admin fees there are to read the official report. (imo)
     
  18. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Many of the symptoms Holly described to her family sound "psychosomatic" to me. If she had a history of mental health problems, it could play a role in the decisions she made and the statements she made. She may actually believe them to be true. Psychosomatic symptoms are often brought on by acute stress or anxiety. Imo
     
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    Don't forget the amnesia as she totally forgot how close the restrooms and parking lot were. She made a conscious choice to stay near a water source that she couldn't drink from.
     
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  20. MimosaMornings

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    I thought she was found lying next to that water source?
     

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