Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020 #2

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  1. RickshawFan

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    @Vacajoe had me at Tarantula Migration Season. These are beautiful creatures but I prefer to keep my distance from them. Yeah, I'm use to the East Coast, especially snowy winter hiking. lol
     
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    I haven’t used the app. I didn’t even know one was available. I volunteered to web crawl for Wayback to upload documents and sites for six months in 2016 after a massive stroke. I had severe left side deficits so I developed my own way of archiving. Slow... My rehab therapists suggested it to learn to use my hands and fingers again. Research is my thing so I very much enjoyed it. I made tremendous progress and could actually feed myself after reconditioning my brain and fingers.

    Anyways, the archive technology system randomly collects web pages that are publicly available. Web crawling doesn’t archive pages that require a password to access, pages that are only accessible when a person types into and sends a form, or pages on secure servers. However, you can manually save pages to Wayback. I’m probably not explaining this very well. Let me show you how archiving social media might look like. I’m using Facebook as an example:
    Wayback Machine
     
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    Wow, I'm impressed that you recovered so well. Good for you.

    That was the "app" I was talking about: not an app, I guess!
     
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    I think it's a website and an app

    Internet Archive: Wayback Machine
    Internet Archive: Wayback Machine
     

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    Yikes! Its because you don't know where they are headed. Tarantulas .
     
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    BBM

    I think that at other times the family said that they had misspoken, that HC started out at ~120 lbs. But even if that's so, much of what people saying here still applies.

    JMO
     
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    Two years ago I was bedridden with what I thought was flu, I had two sips of water from the bathroom tap over 5 days, I was utterly delirious as heck. Finally hospitalised on the 5th day, where I actually couldn't even stand up or crawl and had to be carried out of the house, I had pneumonia and a collapsed lung, they were absolutely equally concerned with the dehydration, my body was shutting down.

    12 days.... No
     
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    From OP's link, has the report been released?

    Investigative report coming soon

    Zion National Park is currently finishing up an investigative report on Courtier's case and officials say they plan to release it to the public as soon as it is complete.

    Details of the case, including how much taxpayer money the search cost, how many staff and volunteers searched for her, her discovery and other conclusions will be included in the report.

    "I'm just glad we found her and reunited with our family," Zion spokesperson Amanda Rolland said.

    The family, Zion National Park and other partners in the search and rescue of Courtier said they are extremely grateful to the rangers and volunteers for finding her.
     
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    I don’t think they have released it. We should submit a FOIA request.
     
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    "No evidence found in Holly Courtier's fraud investigation, authorities say" Only on ABC4: No evidence found in Holly Courtier’s fraud investigation, authorities say

    The focus of the investigation was whether or not this was a conspiracy to get money from fund raising sites. No finding of financial fraud was found, therefore, the conclusion is that it was not fraudulent.

    No other investigation was done, in regards to claims of Holly going for days without food and water. Holly has not spoken.
     
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    Well there you go --

    A Zion official told ABC4 News on Thursday the park’s final report will be made public “as soon as possible.”

    And the criminal investigation concluded with no charges:

    “We never found any evidence to support any of the claims that any criminal activity took place,” Crouse said. “There was a lot of miscommunication, speculation, and sometimes it came to not having all the facts.”

    Jan 28, 2021
    Only on ABC4: No evidence found in Holly Courtier’s fraud investigation, authorities say
     
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    I'm actually relieved to learn there was no evidence to support fraud.
    Sure, her story sounded super skeptical, but if there was no evidence to support fraud, then that's that, and I wish her nothing but a rich and beautiful life from here forward.

    jmo
     
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    Exactly. It's not a crime for an adult to go missing, and if the family raises money to support their search efforts and/or your recovery, it's a personal choice to contribute or not. MOO
     
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    Honestly, the smartest thing that the family did was discontinue the "GiveMeCash" account when people started to compare HC with the yoga gal in Hawaii, who raised quite a bit of cash. HC didn't come close to the "Hawaii" cash.

    The police investigation did not determine whether or not HC had been deceptive in regards to her experience. That is the sticking point with many people who followed this fairytale, I mean, the miraculous story of courage, faith and fortitude, of course.
     
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    I feel sad that this will follow her for some time and make some people lose faith in efforts to assist those that really need help. MOO
     
  19. Seattle1

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    Personally, I think HC suffered a mental breakdown and entered the park hoping not to come out alive. I think she celebrated her only daughter's birthday days before as part of a farewell.

    I don't recall any of the reported deceptive experiences ever attributed directly to HC, nor did she create the give-me or personally request donations. There's no evidence of that. I'm afraid her own family was the downfall in this event. Sometimes family really needs to recognize the value of keeping private matters private. However, in their defense, it should be noted that of the nominal money raised, a good 70%+ was actually donated by the "Courtier" family. I believe this was soon evident and a factor in the criminal investigation. MOO
     
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