Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020 #2

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  1. Cardinal47

    Cardinal47 Well-Known Member

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    It would be interesting to hear from the fellow passengers on the bus ride out to the park. I wonder if there were cameras on that bus? Was she loaded up with supplies or just walking free of everything. I don't hike but the one thing I know is that many have been found with their cell phone. I would go only with a fully charged one on my person. She lost her job and had no health insurance. Not sure where she lived but rent and utilities don't wait for a new job to surface. Probably hard to get a Nanny job now with so many out of work. I hope she gets the help she so desperately needs. I also hope those that donated have a choice to get their money back or contribute freely towards her medical bills.
     


  2. Winterhike

    Winterhike Well-Known Member

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    The now-disabled fundraiser page's 10/22 update includes this paragraph:

    We appreciate everyone’s continued support. This fundraiser is, and always was, 100 percent legitimate. However, we acknowledge and respect people’s concerns over the many inaccuracies portrayed by the press and social media regarding Holly’s ordeal. Whomever has concerns about our use of their donation is welcome to request a refund without any objection from the family.
     
  3. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    The family seems to have doubled down in every direction to try to make it palatable and exciting for the public, even though what they say can't be true. IMO they're angling to sell the story. It is not their goal to have the public move on.
     
  4. JudgeJoe

    JudgeJoe Well-Known Member

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    Here’s something that would be simple to corroborate. I haven’t seen photos released of the hammock, as found by SAR. Did the stump exist as described?

    “When she was setting up her hammock between two trees, I guess there was a stump behind with a very sharp tree edge on it,” Strong said. “I guess when she sat into her hammock and kind of swung back, she hit her head very hard on the sharp edge of the tree.”
     
  5. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Well-Known Member

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    When she was found, Courtier also had a "large lump" on the back of her head, her sister says, after hitting against a sharp part of the three she had tied her hammock to. It was that hammock that caught the attention of visitors traveling through the park, who alerted authorities.
    Rescued hiker Holly Courtier was dehydrated, hurt and 'praying to be found' in Zion National Park, her sister says

    This is now the 3rd version of how she hurt her head that I’ve read. I’m still trying to find the one that says her hammock fell.
     
  6. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    But if the tipster was with a child, they would perhaps hesitate in approaching, not knowing what they might find?
     
  7. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    IIRC the restroom also serves a pinic area that is open until 10 pm.
     
  8. ADudeInUtah

    ADudeInUtah Active Member

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    She took a private shuttle. I didn't understand why until I read the new policies for shuttles operating in ZNP that changed back in July. Park shuttles are more restrictive now and you must purchase a $1.00 dollar ticket per rider, for an allotted 1 hour pickup time, in advance and online. They are also limiting riders and you cannot buy a shuttle ticket at the Park entrance. She could have been the only one in the private shuttle or there may have been others. With all the interest in this disappearance you would think that somebody would have said something by now. I am curious why the private shuttle operator would not have notified park officials that they had a rider that did not show for a pickup time. I'm guessing that once it was made known that she was missing someone came forward to tell officials where she went with the date and time.
     
  9. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    So now they're blaming the press?
     
  10. Ontario Mom

    Ontario Mom stay safe ♥ be kind

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    Actually, they're blaming (and accusing) the public. I think? :confused:

    "people's concerns" and "whomever has concerns" = them saying that it's the general public that appears to think the press and social media are responsible for the innacuracies. So, because the awful press and social media sources got it all wrong, and the public wants to request a refund, then the family will not object.

    That's a curious twist.
    o_O
     
  11. LAhiker

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    "However, we acknowledge and respect people’s concerns about the many inaccuracies portrayed by the press and social media regarding Holly’s ordeal."

    It's arguable, but to me it sounds like they're blaming the press and the social media for the inaccuracies. What's weird is that it was the statement's author and her family who created many of the inaccuracies! Maybe they were trying to cover for Courtier or to keep up with her own changing stories, but they do appear to be trying to shift the blame to the press and social media. o_O

    JMO
     
  12. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    RSBM

    Do we know it DIDN'T happen that way? Maybe that is exactly how her plight initially came to the attention of SAR?
     
  13. anonypotomous

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    I think there is a very good reason she didn't take her phone. So she couldn't be tracked.
     
  14. LadyL

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    I just don't understand why someone would take a hammock but not food & water & cell phone & emergency items
     
  15. JudgeJoe

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    NPS says she had to have a water source and that it was not the river. Perhaps she had some or all of those other things. We don’t have those facts from an official source. Imo
     
  16. moody_chicago

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    IMO...She was planning on fasting so she didn’t “need” food and water. She was going off grid so she didn’t “need” her phone. And she didn’t need emergency items bc she was doing this all for spiritual reasons and her higher power would have her back.
     
  17. osu

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    Zion hiker Holly Courtier's sister speaks out on 'discrepancies' in rescue story

    'Things have just been twisted,' she said

    FOX News - 3 hours ago

    ~snip
    Sgt. Darrell Cashin from the Washington County Sheriff’s Search and Rescue questioned the seriousness of Courtier’s head injury and said rescuers would have taken specific measures if it were severe.

    “If we had found somebody in that condition with that kind of severe head injury, we would have at minimum called for a transport agency to check her out,” Cashin told the outlet. “The fact that that didn’t happen tells me that they did not find any significant injury to her that would’ve prompted them to do that.”

    ~snip

    And speaking on how contradictions surrounding the park’s description of Courtier’s ability to leave “with minimal assistance” countered with the family’s reports of her weakness at the time, Strong said “adrenaline” contributed to her sister’s sudden strength.

    “When you think you're going to die and you see a ranger, she said she literally got like giddy inside because she knew she was going to see her daughter and her family,” she said, “so you definitely have some adrenaline working for you at that point."

    Strong also said a park ranger stood behind Courtier, who was concussed from her head injury, as they left the park and they stopped roughly every 5 feet to take a rest break. Courtier’s family then took her to the hospital, according to the report.

    "She was very scared and traumatized, and she wanted to leave the park in my car with me and my husband and her daughter, and we drove her straight to the emergency room,” Strong said. “Things have just been twisted.”

    ~snip

    Strong said her sister had recently been out of a job and entered the park on Oct. 6 to get away from technology, read the Bible and partake in a one- or two-day “journey of fasting.”

    "I don't think that her mental state was good when she went into the park," Strong said. "I really think she had a mental breakdown and was not in the right state of mind when she decided to take this journey and not tell people where she was going."

    She is now under the care of a mental health facility, where she checked herself in after being found.

    Zion hiker Holly Courtier's sister speaks out on 'discrepancies' in rescue story | Fox News
     
  18. oviedo

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    What? Ok I think LE is going to need to come out with another statement soon - this is getting a bit ridiculous now IMO
     
  19. yurintroubl

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    I think the simplest solutions to avoiding searchers would be having a walkie-talkie to communicate with an accomplice helping search. Easy communication over a long distance without a cell phone paper trail. Bury the walkie somewhere prior to "rescue" day. MOO
     
  20. mickey2942

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    ‘This doesn’t make sense’: Questions remain in story of rescued Zion hiker

    Interesting how much this attention this story is getting in the local news, especially by people who know Zion NP very well, and are finding this story to be very difficult to figure out how Holly was missing for so long, and she was in that particular spot the entire time, not too far off the beaten path, that the searchers missed her.

    It is interesting, because I still wonder about the little girl missing in North Dakota, no one has ever seen anything. Not even a shoe, or scrap of clothing. How can SAR just miss people? As the searchers were right in the area where Holly was, how did they miss her?
     

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