Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020

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  1. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    The second picture sure looks like Zion - the first one, well, it's an unusual spot in an otherwise dry landscape.

    So she had just been to Zion - and went back, apparently.
     
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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Not these days. Ranger presence in the National Parks was declining, IMO, even before CoVid.

    It's great that they went through the CCTV footage. I think they're relying more on cameras to figure out what the tourists are up to, than having actual humans out on the trail. IMO.
     
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    What striking eyes they have, especially Holly.
     
  4. 24Brix

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    I used Google Maps (link below) to sort out the location of this picture (link to source also below). It was taken in the parking lot of the Gourmet Grill in Springdale. (It’s easy to figure out using the perspective of The Watchman behind them.)

    The building behind Kailey and Holly is the Quality Inn Campground and RV Park. Google masks license plates so I can’t tell if either of the cars behind them have California plates. But it’s possible they camped here and ate at this restaurant. Which means Holly may have been staying here again when she disappeared. I’m sure LE knows where she stayed, etc., already. But, for now, all we have is conjecture.

    One thing I noticed is that Holly seems to have a bandage on her left wrist. I suppose it could be a sweatband cuff but it looks more like a gauze bandage here to me. It looks very thin. So maybe her double-infinity tattoo is really new? Or she’s in the process of having it removed? A new tattoo or the elimination of an old one — either could reveal something about her state of mind. There’s a lot of meaning packed in the double-infinity symbol. Google it.

    Note: in another photo, where her arms are entwined, she is wearing a wristwatch over a bandana on that same wrist. Not sure what to make of it all but it’s food for thought given how little we have to go on...

    MOO.

    NEW: Photos of missing woman in Zion with her daughter

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    Yes, I just picked the most popular one for gear. I was after a general idea.
    Yes, hammocks sleep very cold.
     
  6. TheRaven

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    That video of the hike is UNREAL!
     
  7. swedeheart

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    Every time I step into this thread I get anxiety bc of that video. I would love to love to try something like that, but I am way too scared of heights. I get clumsy on the first step of a step ladder! I wouldn't last 2 minutes on that trek without dying.
     
  8. mrstfs

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    Some new details in the video and article:

    Utahns called to help search efforts for missing Zion hiker


    “Kailey said she spent the weekend with her mom before the trip. A few days later on October 6, Holly boarded a shuttle and headed into Zion National Park. According to the National Park Service and family, Holly got off in the Grotto area.

    Kailey said a family thinks they saw Holly start up the Kayenta Trail, which could mean that Holly was headed toward the Emerald Pools, Angel's Landing, or West Rim Trail.

    While Holly didn't have her cell phone on her, Kailey said her mom was prepared with other items should something happen.

    Holly's best friend, Dante Orpilla, says trying to cover such a large area is intimidating and overwhelming. He said the search so far has been extensive.”
     
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    No phone, abandoned car: Latest on missing woman in Zion National Park
    Here's what we know now.

    Courtier rode a private shuttle to the Grotto area and was hiking the Kayenta Trail heading towards Emerald Pools around 1:30 pm on October 6. A person riding the shuttle with Courtier told this to officials. She was supposed to return on the shuttle at 4:40 p.m.



    She was reported missing by her family and alerted the park on October 8. Searches began for Courtier on Friday.

    Zion officials found Courtier's vehicle in the neighboring town of Springdale at the beginning of the search.

    Courtier is 38 years old, 5-foot-3 and 100 pounds, with brown hair and blue eyes. She is thought to possibly be wearing a "Pistil Gray Trucker Hat, a Patagonia Black Nano Puff Jacket, a Dark Tank Top, Danner Trail Gray Hiking Boots, and an Osprey Blue Multi-day Pack."

    She was also thought to possibly be carrying a cream-colored hoody sweatshirt, a Rumple Nanoloft puffy blanket and a camouflage-colored double hammock.

    Courtier left her phone in California, where she is from, so search efforts have not been focused on her electronic use.

    She did not leave any type of itinerary.

    Kailey Chambers, Courtier's daughter, told CBS Los Angeles that her mom had been traveling the country after losing her job due to the pandemic in a converted van. Chamers said her mom was an "experienced hiker, has hiked alone before and is familiar with Zion National Park."
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    The 'bolded by me' above seems odd.

    She took the 1;30 shuttle and was supposed to return on the 4;40 one? That's only 3 hours.

    Why would she have a blanket and a hammock for a 3 hr afternoon hike? So she was not planning to take the 4:40 pm return shuttle, it seems...


    Courtier left her phone in California

    Why would a woman traveling alone, out of state, in a camper van, not bring her phone along?

    Only things that come to mind are not wanting to be tracked or bothered.


    She did not leave any type of itinerary.

    No itinerary? Again, not wanting others to know what or where or whatever, about her travels?
     
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    Put it all together and what do we have?
     
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    "Pistil Gray Trucker Hat, a Patagonia Black Nano Puff Jacket, a Dark Tank Top, Danner Trail Gray Hiking Boots, and an Osprey Blue Multi-day Pack."


    Something else I noticed. All of the above are upscale, expensive items. Patagonia jackets are a couple hundred bucks. Danner boots are 150 to 225. Osprey day packs about 200+ bucks.

    Her hometown before Woodland Hills was Agoura Hills, Ca. A pretty upscale neighborhood.

    I am wondering if she had been accustomed to a pretty cushy lifestyle, perhaps during her marriage? But she had recently lost her job and moved into her van?
     
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    Such a sharp observation. I noticed the white bandage yesterday and thought, but did not write, that maybe it was to cover some self harm. It never occurred to me that it might be related to tattoos as you spotted. The whole double infinity thing, star, sun and moon, etc, all hard to ignore when taken together with the phone that was left behind.
    I have not seen outside of this board that she’d recently split up with someone. Anyone have a link about that?
     
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    RE: the items she was possibly wearing, yes they are expensive, but also high quality.

    Lightweight without bulk, warm and dry, etc. I actually have a Pistil hat and a Patagonia puff jacket that I've had for (at least) 5 years now. Good items, long lasting.
     
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    You’re right 10, all my LP trips have been by boat, a whole different view than high above
     
  15. mrstfs

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    How deep are the different water locations in Zion? Could someone drown and not be noticed?
     
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    Great observations! I can add that based on the colors, the two near cars could easily have CA plates. Most of California cars have white plates with blue text, with smaller red text up top. The right-hand car fits that. However, Utah plates are similarly colored so we can't distinguish. The other car, the turquoise one, seems to have black plate with yellow text, which is also a popular California design.

    MOO and my own experience
     
  17. mickey2942

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    No, not this time of year. The water is pretty shallow.
     
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    I'm with you all the way on this. And can you imagine coming DOWN? You'd be all the time looking over the edge! SHUDDER!
     
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    It sounds like a person could get water, though? That would be a good thing.
     
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    I wouldn't drink any water there. Giardia is rampant in the water there. Aside from the algae bloom. Once my friend was super thirsty, so he thinks, the water in the creek looks clean, he drank it, walks up a bit, there was a dead, rotting deer carcass, right in the middle of the stream, he had just drank from.

    That story alone, makes me cart all water.
     
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