Found Alive UT - Holly Suzanne Courtier, 38, Zion National Park, 6 Oct 2020

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  1. Warwick7

    Warwick7 Well-Known Member

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  2. RickshawFan

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    That's correct. The Sheriff's spokesperson mentions the maps as documentation for the search areas. The search was very thorough; the maps were reviewed by supervisory staff. This was a very professional operation led by LE.
    Sheriff's Sgt. raises questions in Zion's missing person case of Holly Courtier
     
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    Except they said she was able to walk out with minimal assistance so I don’t think she drank toxic water for 12 days.
     
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    This story is getting more elaborate several times a day. The details are incompatible with the sheriff's report. Sheriff's Sgt. raises questions in Zion's missing person case of Holly Courtier
     
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    The sheriff's spokesperson is quite explicit that there was nothing to retain the missing hiker for medical care. That presumably would include a significant lump on the head, a mouth that wouldn't open, having a hard time moving. Out of an abundance of caution, in those instances, a person would have been under medical care at discovery, with escalation at the trailhead.
    I would defer to the sheriff on these issues and not the family's account.
    Sheriff's Sgt. raises questions in Zion's missing person case of Holly Courtier
     
  6. happyday

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    It’s really weird. The park’s statements were that she was found, basically fine and walked out with her family. End of story. Now the family keeps saying she was basically near death and the doctors were “shocked” how bad she was. The sheriff is frustrated and saying, uh, no. That’s not how she was at all. So WHY is the family saying this? That’s the question.
     
  7. K9Enzo

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    IMO, I thought Zion Spokeswoman was being diplomatic in her statement, there was definitely something in her careful wording. Again, IMO.

    “She was able to leave of her own capability with minimal assistance,” Rowland added.
    Zion hiker Holly Courtier was found in 'thickly vegetated' area, required 'minimal assistance' during rescue

    We typically don't see a public rebuttal in cases (missing hiker) like this from LE. Sheriff Sgt. Cashin must have really felt compelled to go on the record the way he did. He appears to feel strongly about information coming out from the family. Did he feel like this info coming out from HC's family could be a risk to other hikers who would think this is how it works outdoors, in that environment and under those conditions? Maybe.

    Then the family comes back (it appears to me) with more information to CNN.

    This is a tad bizarre, all of it.

    I tend to go with officials. They have my trust.

    Sheriff's Sgt. raises questions in Zion's missing person case of Holly Courtier

    SAR has been very busy.

    Increased outdoor activity due to COVID-19 causes surge in search and rescue calls

    ETA: link


    IMO
     
  8. MimosaMornings

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    Sometimes I have to step back and remember that this is someone’s family member that has been through a traumatic event. I get caught up in trying to make the puzzle pieces fit together.

    Whatever the circumstances, this would be a great way for Holly and her family to band together with SARS, LE, Rangers, Park staff, etc to present “lessons learned” and use it as a tool to show others how dangerous it can be to ignore the rules/regulations at the National Parks.

    I am very glad she was found.
     
  9. Ontario Mom

    Ontario Mom stay safe ♥ be kind

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    I appreciate seeing the new links with more (contradicting, indeed o_O) info.
     
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    Imo and it’s JMO, pure speculation, the fam is going with their narrative because they don’t want to out Holly as having a mental health issue due to the stigma. She is unemployed and the world is nasty...judgey people aren’t going to hire someone who is irresponsible or impulsive enough to just go out of state in the middle of the night without their phone, camp illegally and hide out when searchers are calling their name. It’s 2020 but stigma is still intense. Like I’ve said before, I think it’s an impulsive and passive aggressive, borderline manipulative thing to do, not taking your phone like that. All of this can be explained if she was super upset, experiencing a crisis, mania etc. If she was unwell and paranoid, people calling her name would be terrifying! Everything would make sense. Maybe with lack of insurance, she couldn’t afford meds and this is what happened as a result of that. She is probably grateful to be found but also embarrassed for making the mistakes she did.
    But at the end of the day, all she needs to do is say she was dishonest, she messed up and avoided being found because she was suffering a mental health crisis. Then people would just leave it be and put it all to bed. People truly would understand and show compassion, I know it. Her saying she was having a manic episode and was embarrassed so they wove a story would just make most of us go “oh ya that makes sense, poor woman. Hope she gets the help she needs and it sucks she felt she had to cover it up. The world can be so judgey and stigma can make things so hard. Glad you’re on the path to healing. Good luck, Holly.”...use some of that money for meds and therapy.
    The longer they keep weaving this story that just doesn’t add up, the angrier people are going to get and the harder it’s going to be for them when the truth comes out.


    Do I think she suffered an injury? Yes. But I don’t think it all happened the way they said it happened. I feel terrible for her.


    it’s totally ok, Holly. We got you!!!


    Again JMO
     
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    They could have said “please respect our privacy”. That’s literally all they had to say.
     
  13. mickey2942

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    That is the problem. The family has been reporting information that is a complete disconnect from officials.

    If the family had declined all interviews, and stated that "this is a private family situation, we are grateful for all assistance that brought Holly home, thank you.". The story would be over.

    But, the family has been making public statements requesting ongoing financial support for Holly's medical care. They have opened up the requests for further information about the medical treatment needed.
     
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    Why is it ok to speculate about mental health issues when we can’t speculate about other motivations like money or publicity?

    JMO
     
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    Fair question. It's a balancing act indeed to stay on the right side of the victim friendly rule here, while at the same time wondering why the MSM and LE states certainly appear to contradict one another, and most importantly, what the victim's family is saying, as relayed to them, by the victim. o_O

    We CAN discuss what has been reported.
    We cannot wildly speculate about anything, without something factual to back it up.

    I hope that was as clear as mud. :cool:
     
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    For the purposes of our rules here, HC is reportedly the victim of a hiking accident.
    Unless LE lets the public know that this is not the case.
     
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    This story does not add up. I am glad she was found safe. However, someone who has been missing for two weeks with no food or water, and supposedly a bad head wound, would not walk out of the area once found. And I really doubt she was drinking the bacteria-infested water unless she has a super-immune system, which I highly doubt. Could be she brought lots of water and some food. Something tells me this story is going the way of Sherri Pappini. We may never know. (And I am not believing the daughter's story.)
     
  20. CrimeDawg123

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    BBM. If she had outdoor experience, then she probably would have had a water filter even if she only intended a day hike.
     
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