UT - Kylen Schulte, 24, & Crystal Beck, 38, newlywed couple found dead, Grand County, 18 Aug 2021

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  1. distracted

    distracted Well-Known Member

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    Occam's Razor would suggest this is a likely scenario.

    Perhaps he tried to make them uncomfortable so they would leave and it didn't work, which enraged him. Being women made it easier for him to act on that rage.
     
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  2. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    I didn't check in on this case for several days so I think I missed this...LE have said there is no DNA evidence?

    Or is this what family and/or the public are speculating, based on no apparent progress?

    I only ask because the perpetrator cannot know for sure at this point whether or not he left some type of DNA behind (even if just a few skin cells) unless LE chooses to reveal it. So this info is normally kept close to the vest by LE if the responsible person is still to be interrogated. So it would be somewhat unusual for LE to confirm no DNA at this stage and if they did, that's a strategy that bears discussion of why they chose to.
     
  3. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Well-Known Member

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    There hasn't been any information released by LE about DNA, it just seems like if there was DNA evidence and one of the usual suspects committed the crime then there would be an arrest by now. So really, just me speculating, I'm frustrated.
     
  4. RstJ

    RstJ Active Member

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    [..]
    To me, this is the key to the case--when did this communication occur and by what means? I don't even care who to or what else was said--this one statement is vital in the timeline. It tells people when, what day and time to focus on. I know I've posted on this before, but to date I have not been able to establish the source, much less any detail.

    I see this passage quoted everywhere (even in the warrant itself) but it is always attributed to "friends" and that's it. As far as we know, the last time the victims were seen/heard from/witnessed/texted/anything...is ~9pm 8/13/21. The stories strongly imply the victims had talked about the creeper on two separate occasions, but we only have a date for one of them.

    Does anyone have anything different?

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  5. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    As this is an open criminal investigation, it follows that potential witnesses would not be publicly identified for both their own safety and to also protect the integrity of the investigation.
     
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  6. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    I'll say it again -- this is one of the saddest and most maddening attacks/murders I've seen. Just two women in love, just married -- wanting to be outside in mild-ish weather, have dinner, snuggle, and talk a bit. Just a bit silly perhaps, lotsa smiles & little kisses, I'm thinking, and happy, happy, happy. "We did it!"
    Just two newlyweds, finally being together and looking for a long life as a couple, probably not without some hard times in their growing-up years. And now this bliss.
    And then, surprise, fear, lots of pain, worried about the other, and then it all goes black and it's gone.
    Makes me want to cry and then slap somebody's face really, really hard.
    Just dammit.
     
  7. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Oh, what she did! She felt that she was being led to go here instead of there; to go straight instead of right, etc., etc. And then she found one of them in the water. She'll never get that out of her head, but what she did was huge -- that should help her deal with that image.
    What a good friend.
    Yes, there are angels in America. And she is one.
     
  8. samsmom

    samsmom Well-Known Member

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    @Brian Entin on Twitter has a clip on this case MarniHughesTV
     
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    Knox Well-Known Member

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  10. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    bbm
    I am certainly not ruling it out. It was my first thought. OTOH it could be a RSO who saw two women by themselves.
     
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    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    From early September to mid-October, Sean Paul Schulte set up a “clue booth” in Swanny City Park, hoping to collect potential leads and keep the deaths of his daughter and her wife in the public eye. For hours each day, he sat at a picnic table in the park and met with members of the community.

    [The private investigator] will be taking over as my ‘boots on the ground,’ along with my lawyer, as I am heading home to Montana,” Schulte said.

    “What Sean Paul did with his clue booth was really quite brilliant,” said investigator Jason Jensen. The Utah-based licensed private investigator is the lead at Jensen Private Investigations and co-founder of the Utah Cold Case Coalition.

    The Grand County Sheriff’s Office is currently running forensic analysis on “items of interest,” according to a Sept. 28 statement but the lab analysis may take “several months or more to complete.”
    Father hires PI to look into Moab couple’s murder: Visitors to the La Sals in mid-August asked for tips
     
  12. ZoriahNZ

    ZoriahNZ Well-Known Member

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    This made me tear up. I really wish this case would get more coverage. K & C deserve justice. There is a murderer (and SO in my opinion) on the loose, and I wouldn't be surprised if he struck again, this crime was so callous and depraved.
     
  13. RstJ

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    People.com picked this story up. If everyone keeps talking about it, posting info, and spreading the word on social then this can be solved. If it's a random killer, he/she needs to be found--soon;

    How an Investigator Is Using Satellite Images to Solve Murders of Utah Couple Who Noticed 'Creepy Man'



    The PI (Jensen) clarified the timeline:

    "According to Jensen, Turner and Schulte left Woody's Tavern just after midnight, and returned to their campsite shortly before 1 a.m. on Aug. 14.

    Both women failed to show up at their jobs at 5:30 a.m. on Aug. 15.

    "So, that means the window where they were murdered was very early on the 14th to very early on the 15th, so you're talking no better than a 24-, 25-hour window," Jensen explains."


    RstJ
     
  14. Springrain

    Springrain Who was the 1980 Ventura County Jane Doe?

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    I wonder if more focused media attention in the states Crystal and Kylen were originally from (Arkansas and Montana respectively, I believe) could help get more awareness on the case. I really don't believe either of them knew their killer (and I am a firm believer that he was the creeper lurking around their campsite), so I don't think he was an associate from Arkansas or Montana. However, I do think getting more attention on this case from the ladies' hometowns/home states can only be a good thing.
     
  15. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Well-Known Member

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    Why is the timeline changing? All of the earlier reports mention them leaving the bar at 9.


    “They showed up at the bar around 6 p.m. on Friday, Aug. 13, and left around 9 p.m.,”

    Footage Shows Last Time Slain Camping Couple Seen Alive
     
  16. Lalalacasbah

    Lalalacasbah Well-Known Member

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    You are right, the article has wrong time.

    I tried to PM you the video the PI took of the actual campground and another one close by in case you wanted to see. I don't think I can post on here. Your profile is locked so I can't PM you. Let me know if you want a link to the video if you haven't seen already!
     
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    Please Post the video on here, if possible. Knowing the exact location, and how close other camp sites are, would be of a great help.
    Moo
     
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    What does everyone think about the campsite being in disarray when their friend for it ? Was someone "camping" in their spot, and killed them when they returned? Was the chaos caused by that human/ humans?
    Was it done by wildlife during the time the ladies were still missing by raccoons, etc.
    How many days was the tent set up in their spot? Did they drive 1 hour each day for work?
     
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  19. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    *Probably a repost but it’s very telling. I can’t imagine living in their small town.


    The Deseret News talked to dozens of Moab locals. Many of them were afraid, and most did not want to speak on the record.

    Some didn’t want to give their name out of fear the murderer could identify them.

    Several business owners and employees worried about retribution from Moab police or the Grand County Sheriff’s Office, which they accuse of mishandling both the murder investigation and the now high-profile domestic dispute between Gabby Petito and her fiance during their trip through the area.

    “If I talk to you for your article, the next time I need to call the police they might not show,” an employee at a hotel said.

    One person called the Deseret News in tears, saying they feared for their safety and asked to have their name withheld.

    “When I get off everyone is in bed except for me, so that’s not great,” they told the Deseret News. “We don’t know if (police) think it’s someone in town or someone out of town. That sucks, walking by every house and being like, ‘You could be a murderer, maybe you could be a murderer.’”
    Unsolved murders and Petito case leave dark cloud over Moab

    https://www.moabtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/search-warrant.pdf
     
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    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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