UT - Kylen Schulte, 24, & Crystal Beck, 38, newlywed couple found dead, Grand County, 18 Aug 2021

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  1. YohanApple

    YohanApple Well-Known Member

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    That would explain it. I think that's what I'm seeing. It would be her left eye (eye on right as looking at her). I have seen this in other pictures as well.
    I think that is kind of strange, as well. I wonder if LE might be keeping this from the public and only the families know. Could be...
     
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  2. YohanApple

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    That would explain it. I think that's what I'm seeing. It would be her left eye (eye on right as looking at her). I have seen this in other pictures as well.
    I think that is kind of strange, as well. I wonder if LE might be keeping this from the public and only the families know. Could be...
    First time trying to quote here so it may appear wrong. I don't think you can count out the wedding party, though, it's still possible it could have happened. I was wondering if they might have crashed the reception or something.
     
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    The friend who found them (Aug 18th) stated that Kylen’s father screamed at her to return to her car for her own safety and she thought “it’s silly to think the killer would still there four days later.” Link at end. It sounds like the father & friend believe they were killed Aug 14/15, which accords with the Aug 15 obituary date.

    It’s not uncommon for obituary writers in these situations to pick a death date - the date the person went missing, the date the person was discovered, etc. Abby & Libby have different dates in their obituaries, for example. And obviously Crystal’s obituary omits her marriage. It’s up to the writer, and the obituary doesn’t need to be accurate or complete.

    My guess is that Kylen’s family picked day they believe she died and Crystal’s picked the day of discovery. I haven’t seen anything to suggest that Crystal died on the 18th or that they died on different days - correct me please :)

    Footage Shows Last Time Slain Camping Couple Seen Alive

    JMO
     
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  4. YohanApple

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    Wait a minute! I thought she found Kylen in a stream up from the campsite. She says here she looked at a pile of dirt by the car and that's when she found Kylen. What?
     
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    I read that she walked around the passenger side of the car then across a hill of dirt and saw Kylen in the creek
     
  6. If they crashed the wedding dont you think witnesses would have come forward about that and we wouldn't be confused as to when they was last seen? And who kills over crashing a wedding?

    Also when it comes to the dates of death being different we have already realised as to why... the family can choose when to put that they died as they were last seen on the 13th and was not found until the 18th so nobody actually knows yet anyway.
     
  7. YohanApple

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    Ok, other's may have come forward but not necessarliy all true if someone is being protected, but probably highly doubtful. You don't know anything about this wedding party and what kind of family it was. Also, I didn't say they would be killed over crashing the wedding.<modsnip>

    We all haven't "realised as to why". A few people have mentioned that some people list the date of death, in these circumstances, for differenent reasons. However, that doesn't mean it's absolutely true in this case. That hasn't been proven or corroborated by anyone.
     
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  8. YohanApple

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    <modsnip - quoted post has been removed>
    I'm sorry I'm just sleuthing here but I pulled up the campsite map from a prior post on this thread and the car and tent are quite aways from the creek where Kylen was found. This is not a pile of dirt next to the car...

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  9. Yemelyan

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    Obituaries are written by family or friends or funeral home staff; they are not legal documents and the information contained therein as to date of death may or may not be accurate in cases like these. As mentioned by other posters, families can make a choice whether they want to list the date of death as the date the person was found, the date they disappeared or a different date altogether. Accurate death dates would be given on legal documents such as unsealed autopsy reports, search warrants and probable cause statements.
     
  10. MimosaMornings

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    I was completing some paperwork at the funeral home this week and thought I would ask - they use the date(s) on the death certificate most of the time.
    JMO
     


  11. I dont know about you, but burying bodies early when they didnt know what date they died makes alot of sense for why the familys have said what dates they feel is right IMO Obituaries are written by family or friends or funeral home staff; they are not legal documents. (As yemelyan has stated quote)

    Also I have done my research and I do know who's wedding was on the 14th. I have the telephone number and emails too which is pretty cool.
     
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  12. Curious_in_NC

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    Unfortunately I'm likewise about to publish one for a friend. Newspapers require either info to come from a funeral home, which would have a death certificate, or a copy of the death certificate itself, to publish an obit. I think this all goes back to the time when Mark Twain famously announced "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated", thereafter forcing newspapers to use verifiable info for publishing obits. MOO
     
  13. Makes alot of sense.
     
  14. Yemelyan

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    In some murder cases, the autopsies are sealed by a judge to protect an ongoing investigation. Has anyone read whether that has been done in this case?

    Edited to add: they may not be complete yet, pending toxicology. Which could mean the official death certificate has not yet been issued. A pending death certificate may exist, but it may or may not contain the actual date of death yet. Different jurisdictions may handle this in different ways.
     
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    I wonder why the father was said to reverse his opinion that the gunshots should have been heard at the wedding venue.

    I wonder if the Cedar Bend lodge has video of the road right there.

    I see on zilow that the big ranch on the mesa below the campsite is a bison ranch offered for sale. The "creek" at the campsite is just an irrigation ditch which may or may not have running water depending on if it is fed by a gate or weir. The bank of dirt might be from originally digging out or subsequent repair of the ditch. Or someone dug a makeshift pond/pool. I think the ditch feeds water to the big irrigation pivots seen below on the buffalo ranch.
     
  16. Seattle1

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    I'm not following the specific reference here but I believe there's definitely a difference between published obituaries in the newspaper (for a considerable fee) and the increasingly popular memorial tribute posted on a funeral or legacy website. MOO
     
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    If there is an accident, a homicide, a suicide, steps may have to be taken by the medical examiner before they can make a statement about the cause of death.
    In the event of an unexpected death, an autopsy may be required. This can sometimes cause delays in the completion and filing of a death certificate.
     
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    Whoa, I didn't notice that. Can you possibly link the video with a timestamp for where that happens? TIA
     
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    If you watch the entire DV video in Moab, Gabby declines the Gatorade and asks for water. Brian refuses anything in a plastic bottle.

    Gatorade is one of the most popular beverages sold in America and is especially popular in hot weather.

    The only thing I found odd about the Gatorade was that it was found at Crystal and Kylen's camp. Given their hippie leanings, I would have guessed that Gatorade would not be a beverage that they would likely purchase and consume.
     
  20. Curious_in_NC

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    I was addressing differences noted in dates of death for the couple. AFAIK you can't publish an obituary at legacy itself without first publishing it in a newspaper (https://www.legacy.com/submit-an-obituary-to-a-newspaper/). They seem to also collect ones from funeral homes. Either route would presumably require a death certificate. The rules for how rigorously the date of actual death is reported on the certificate may vary from state to state.
     
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