Well, it could just be that he is that stupid.In the last thread I had mentioned that a few things give me pause when considering if this was indeed a premeditated act.
@Mentalheadslap2018 , you had said you were curious as to my thoughts on this.
Well, we all know that there are some very very dumb criminals out there. Jay Leno even had a whole spiel about this on his show. (“What do we all love? Stupid criminals!”) We’ve certainly seen our share of them here.
What gives me some pause though, is again his phone—texting with her at the airport, allowing for his phone to show his location at the park a minute within her phone, burning stuff on his property...it just seems soooooo stupid if he had had indeed put a lot of thought into it. I don’t know how he could have overlooked this (location data, etc), especially with his at least basic computer skills.
I do tend to think he had sinister plans from the get-get go, but then how could he be that stupid? It just doesn’t seem like he did a lot to cover his tracks if he had planned this out. Moo.
Idk...
In the last thread I had mentioned that a few things give me pause when considering if this was indeed a premeditated act.
@Mentalheadslap2018 , you had said you were curious as to my thoughts on this.
Well, we all know that there are some very very dumb criminals out there. Jay Leno even had a whole spiel about this on his show. (“What do we all love? Stupid criminals!”) We’ve certainly seen our share of them here.
What gives me some pause though, is again his phone—texting with her at the airport, allowing for his phone to show his location at the park a minute within her phone, burning stuff on his property...it just seems soooooo stupid if he had had indeed put a lot of thought into it. I don’t know how he could have overlooked this (location data, etc), especially with his at least basic computer skills.
I do tend to think he had sinister plans from the get-get go, but then how could he be that stupid? It just doesn’t seem like he did a lot to cover his tracks if he had planned this out. Moo.
Idk...
In a weird way, I'm glad her body was found in this location, which looks beautiful. I felt so sad thinking she was buried in that backyard.
I really don't think ML would have agreed to meet a complete stranger (other than just conversing with them over the internet) at a park at 3am...I think it is possible they both discussed not having the lyft driver drop her off at her house, as well as not taking her to his residence--as a precautionary issue...he might have offered to pick her up at the park and drop her off at her place--perhaps, she thought they were going to go and have an early breakfast somewhere together? Some will find the breakfast idea off the wall...I know a lot of folks here think he came to the park with the intent to murder ML--possibly subduing her right away, since her phone was turned off immediately after she got in his vehicle; however, it is possible that her phone was tied to her parents and all her friends (find my phone, contacts, friends, etc with a location app) and she wanted time out from being potentially tracked. The meeting at the park at 3am is the big question mark in my mind--for some reason, I think she went there with the idea that there were going to do a normal activity together...and he was simply going to drive her the rest of the way home when they were finished.Well, it could just be that he is that stupid.
He was careful not to be seen at the airport picking her up, and made sure he met her at a secluded location instead of his own address. I'm guessing he never got out of the car when she was dropped off. I suppose it's possible that he just didn't want her to find out where he lived, especially if he was pretending to be someone else on-line.
He must have done something to make sure he had no boarders at that time too. Wasn't the house listed as being all filled up for the month?
I don't know what the deal was with his phone. Maybe he had deleted the messages thinking LE could not retrieve them? Or maybe he just figured he could talk his way out of it.
Imo
I really don't think ML would have agreed to meet a complete stranger (other than just conversing with them over the internet) at a park at 3am...I think it is possible they both discussed not having the lyft driver drop her off at her house, as well as not taking her to his residence--as a precautionary issue...he might have offered to pick her up at the park and drop her off at her place--perhaps, she thought they were going to go and have an early breakfast somewhere together? Some will find the breakfast idea off the wall...I know a lot of folks here think he came to the park with the intent to murder ML--possibly subduing her right away, since her phone was turned off immediately after she got in his vehicle; however, it is possible that her phone was tied to her parents and all her friends (find my phone, contacts, friends, etc with a location app) and she wanted time out from being potentially tracked. The meeting at the park at 3am is the big question mark in my mind--for some reason, I think she went there with the idea that there were going to do a normal activity together...and he was simply going to drive her the rest of the way home when they were finished.
He was a BDSM novice. He wasn't even on the right app to find that kind of thing. Most sugar babies would not be into that. I think she either wanted to stop at some point which made him become more aggressive, or they were playing a dangerous game that involved suffocation which went awry. If he wanted to find someone to kill, she wasn't a good choice. a college girl, pretty, with a family looking for her, i mean it was a 100% chance this would get national attention. i considered maybe he thought she was nothing but a prostitute/runaway so maybe nobody would miss her, but i don't think she would've given off that kind of vibe.Well, it could just be that he is that stupid.
He was careful not to be seen at the airport picking her up, and made sure he met her at a secluded location instead of his own address. I'm guessing he never got out of the car when she was dropped off. I suppose it's possible that he just didn't want her to find out where he lived, especially if he was pretending to be someone else on-line.
He must have done something to make sure he had no boarders at that time too. Wasn't the house listed as being all filled up for the month?
I don't know what the deal was with his phone. Maybe he had deleted the messages thinking LE could not retrieve them? Or maybe he just figured he could talk his way out of it.
Imo
RSABBM:The meeting at the park at 3am is the big question mark in my mind--for some reason, I think she went there with the idea that there were going to do a normal activity together...and he was simply going to drive her the rest of the way home when they were finished.
Searchers for MacKenzie Lueck's body requested diving equipment
..asked for tools for a water search from the Cache County Sheriff’s Office.
I really don't think ML would have agreed to meet a complete stranger (other than just conversing with them over the internet) at a park at 3am...I think it is possible they both discussed not having the lyft driver drop her off at her house, as well as not taking her to his residence--as a precautionary issue...he might have offered to pick her up at the park and drop her off at her place--perhaps, she thought they were going to go and have an early breakfast somewhere together? Some will find the breakfast idea off the wall...I know a lot of folks here think he came to the park with the intent to murder ML--possibly subduing her right away, since her phone was turned off immediately after she got in his vehicle; however, it is possible that her phone was tied to her parents and all her friends (find my phone, contacts, friends, etc with a location app) and she wanted time out from being potentially tracked. The meeting at the park at 3am is the big question mark in my mind--for some reason, I think she went there with the idea that there were going to do a normal activity together...and he was simply going to drive her the rest of the way home when they were finished.
Very often in cases, we hear that the “burned body” has been found.
They declined to include that adjective. Yet they included “charred” re: the initial remains found.
I’m really not sure if her entire body was burned or not, and my immediate thoughts went to Jessica Ridgeway and partial body found/dismemberment, as I initially mentioned.
I think it’s likely of course that he tried to burn her body fully and it didn’t work.
I’m just noting that they specifically did not say this, contrary to other cases.
I wonder if it is the case that her entire body was in fact burned, why they would hold this back. Simply to protect the public from the graphic and “sensitive nature”, or is there something else to this?
Like what else do you think it could be?
WARNING VERY GRAPHIC:
Partial torso perhaps, moo. Head and hands removed.
Again, I think the possibility of him trying to burn her completely but was unsuccessful is also a strong option, as mentioned by many members here.
It’s amazing though how many perps still think dismemberment will hide their victim’s identity. We still see dismemberment cases here even in this age of DNA identification.
LE spent a lot of time in the garage, as noted by @oviedo, iirc. When I think of “garage” I think of “tools”, but again gasoline could have been stored there as well likely, in addition to other “fire tools” and who knows what else.
I’m biased because of Jessica’s case and my personal connection to that, but I strongly suspect dismemberment now.
ARS’, Jessica’s murderer, worked in a morgue setting at one time. I haven’t seen anything yet here to indicate that AA had any kind of similar experience, or medical experience, etc, but one doesn’t necessarily need this to dismember someone.
WARNING VERY GRAPHIC:
Partial torso perhaps, moo. Head and hands removed.
Again, I think the possibility of him trying to burn her completely but was unsuccessful is also a strong option, as mentioned by many members here.
It’s amazing though how many perps still think dismemberment will conceal their victim’s identity. We still see dismemberment cases here even in this age of DNA identification.
LE spent a lot of time in the garage, as noted by @oviedo, iirc. When I think of “garage” I think of “tools”, but again gasoline could have been stored there as well likely, in addition to other “fire tools” and who knows what else.
I’m biased because of Jessica’s case and my personal connection to that, but I strongly suspect dismemberment now. When they found her torso they did not describe it as that; they said they found her body. Only later we learned her head and hands were in his crawl space.
ARS’, Jessica’s murderer, worked in a morgue setting at one time. I haven’t seen anything yet here to indicate that AA had any kind of similar experience, or medical experience, etc, but one doesn’t necessarily need this to dismember someone.
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I also wonder if they sent divers in just to cover all their bases as SP, see what additional evidence they might be recover, and/or if they are looking for something specific.
IF he dismembered her, it would have been to dispose of her without discovery.
She would burn easier.
In the end, it doesn’t really matter. The fact that he burned her, elevates the crime to “aggravated.”
It doesn’t change anything. He “chewed his food before he ate it.”
Psychopaths don’t care.