VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

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Last year, I first saw the old Unsolved Mysteries segment featuring the AB disappearance. And, I recently saw the Disappeared episode featuring the case - which was obviously a lot more detailed/updated. The interviews with the family members were especially sad. This is obviously one of the more well-known missing persons cases.

The way I see this, there are three possible explanations as to what happened here:

1) IMHO, the most likely possibility is that she accidentally fell overboard & drowned. She had been drinking prior to disappearing & also wasn't getting a lot of sleep due to being up late, etc. So, I find this extremely plausible/possible. Note that even someone who hasn't been drinking/isn't tired could still accidentally fall overboard while on a cruise ship/boat. As it turns out, a good # of people fall overboard in situations like this each year.

I honestly don't know why the idea of her falling off the cruise ship & drowning isn't considered more often. It's the most likely explanation as to what happened here.

2) She met someone on the ship, they were walking together, and got into an argument/altercation - and he?! threw her overboard as the result of this. Maybe this guy was coming on to her & she pushed him away; then, he couldn't take no for an answer & got angry, etc. Or, she met with foul play due to a similar situation & the body was disposed of in some other way (maybe taken off the ship, etc.).

3) IMHO, the least likely possibility is that she was abducted/kidnapped & taken off the boat against her will, etc.

It's unfortunate that AB's parents/family were taken in by that scammer who convinced them that she was on the island Curacao & being held against her will..and that he was going to mount a 'rescue operation'...but, he needed a huge amount of $ from them first. What a crock. It's terrible that he took advantage of them like this, but not surprising - scammers are everywhere.

Going along with this, I never thought that AB ever made it to Curacao. I believe that all of the 'sightings' of her there were nothing more than red herrings.

I also don't believe she was the woman in the picture on that website (as seen on the Disappeared episode). She looked nothing like the pic., even if you account for her being older & possibly having longer hair, etc. Not sure why anyone ever thought there was a resemblance.
 
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I think Occam’s Razor says it for this one. She had been feeling ill after a night of drinking. She sat on the balcony. She felt sick and in her intoxicated, tired state, leaned over the rail to be sick and fell overboard. Her poor parents have grasped at any thin ray of hope and wasted thousands of dollars chasing false leads.
 
As someone who cruises A LOT, you have to try pretty hard to 'fall' off a cruise ship. Crawling UP and over or doing something stupid. its not a 'trip and fall' sort of thing. Railing are high enough for that not to happen.
 
As someone who cruises A LOT, you have to try pretty hard to 'fall' off a cruise ship. Crawling UP and over or doing something stupid. its not a 'trip and fall' sort of thing. Railing are high enough for that not to happen.

I don't doubt that it's like that now. However, I don't know if it was like this in 1998. But, even if it was - these accidents still happen. I don't want to post the link since I'm not sure if it's allowed, but I did read this in a 2018 article about cruise ship safety:
  • Since 2000, around 300 people on cruise ships have fallen overboard. There were 17 overboard incidents in 2017 alone.
Granted, that's not an incredible # when you consider the huge amount of people that travel on cruise ships each year. However, I still find it extremely significant - given that this type of accident is far from unheard of. Note that in a lot of these cases, the people that fall overboard survive/are retrieved. However, in AB's case, given that she was last seen late at night by her family - I believe she fell overboard late at night/early in the morning when there weren't a lot of people around/awake to see/hear anything.
 
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Several years ago I studied the Amy Bradley case on this site and many others. Have there been any updates in the case? Have there been any reliable sightings of her since 2005? Wondering if anyone has heard anything on this very disturbing case. Many thanks.


I would love for this to be solved as I don’t believe she fell overboard as her body would of washed up.
 
As someone who cruises A LOT, you have to try pretty hard to 'fall' off a cruise ship. Crawling UP and over or doing something stupid. its not a 'trip and fall' sort of thing. Railing are high enough for that not to happen.
Were the cruise ship balconies that safe in 1998? I've only cruised once and not a fan nor do I recall the set up. I do recall that if you're on the top of ship it would be easy to fall off the ship.

For the longest time I used to think foul play, etc. But, recently I lean more toward a tragic fall, but then the comment made to Amy's bro by (can't recall the person's name) is concerning.

MOO
 
Bodies do not always wash up, they can be eaten by sharks or a number of other things that wouldn’t bring the body back to shore


Well I believe she was taken as the boat had docked so it’s a extremely odd she didn’t wash up and nobody saw her go over. Then add in the weird behavior from some on board.

It’s extremely unlucky to fall overboard as well so add all that in I think she was taken and killed.
 
As someone who cruises A LOT, you have to try pretty hard to 'fall' off a cruise ship. Crawling UP and over or doing something stupid. its not a 'trip and fall' sort of thing. Railing are high enough for that not to happen.
I followed this case for years. She was seen in the early morning hours with that guy. Sorry, I can’t recall his name. There were witnesses. Please read up on the case. She didn’t fall overboard. There’s a reason she’s still on the FBI wanted : MISSING page.

 
Here’s a link to the older threads in this case. Unfortunately they were closed down due to an unsavory character or two infiltrating the threads.
There’s a lot of info for anyone who might be interested.

There are Four threads, with links to each one in the first post.

 
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I think Amy isn’t with us anymore. The sightings all happened within a few years after her disappearance and there haven’t been any now for many years.

I do believe that she was kidnapped and smuggled off the ship. I found the sightings quite believable and the photo on the “escort/sex tourism” site, or whatever it was, very similar to her.

I was very interested early on when the VI here, “Finding Amy” kept trying to point us in a specific direction without coming out and saying exactly what he/she was thinking. She gave us to understand that she thought that there were people who were watching her family at their home here in the U.S. at least for some time after Amy’s disappearance, and indicated that saying too much could put Amy in further danger. I’m not sure if I’m remembering that all correctly. It’s pretty vague after all these years.

However, I always found it especially interesting that the VI was trying to point us to kidnapping that was for something very nefarious, but NOT necessarily for sex trafficking, at least not for the trafficking of Amy herself. She kept prompting us to think of other scenarios wherein a group of criminals might want someone of Amy’s description to work for them. I never could figure it out but my impression was that it was something along the lines of needing someone who could instill confidence in the type of people who were perhaps trafficking in illicit adoption from the Caribbean countries or something like that.

I do remember that the VI stated that she thought that Amy herself had likely been sexually abused and probably prostituted out, but that that was not thought to be the main objective in kidnapping her. That she was needed for another purpose. And that is one of the most frustrating aspects of this case, IMO: Whenever the possibility of kidnapping comes up there are many who simply won’t consider it because of the logistics of getting her off the ship, there are many easier targets, etc. However, just because young, relatively affluent, white women who are traveling with family on a cruise are very rarely kidnapped, or just because we’ve never heard of it, doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. There were some very strange things that went on on that ship, such as all of Amy’s photos disappearing, the (band members? Can’t remember) who kept asking about Amy and wanted to take her to Carlos and Charlies and who she said “creeped her out”, etc. A sighting of her in the early morning of her disappearance with Yellow with a drink in her hand. Etc.

I guess what I’m saying is that the VI was asserting that, yes, Amy’s case isn’t something that fits into a “profile” of a particular type of kidnapping. That this is an outlier case. One not typical. I’ve thought for many years that she may be right.
 
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I don't doubt that it's like that now. However, I don't know if it was like this in 1998. But, even if it was - these accidents still happen. I don't want to post the link since I'm not sure if it's allowed, but I did read this in a 2018 article about cruise ship safety:
  • Since 2000, around 300 people on cruise ships have fallen overboard. There were 17 overboard incidents in 2017 alone.
Granted, that's not an incredible # when you consider the huge amount of people that travel on cruise ships each year. However, I still find it extremely significant - given that this type of accident is far from unheard of. Note that in a lot of these cases, the people that fall overboard survive/are retrieved. However, in AB's case, given that she was last seen late at night by her family - I believe she fell overboard late at night/early in the morning when there weren't a lot of people around/awake to see/hear anything.
Interesting information. So, roughly about 16 people “fall overboard” each year. Surely it varies, but according to the article below, there were 29.7 million individual cruises undertaken by people in the year 2019, which would seem to be fairly typical until the Covid years.


I’m tired right now, so maybe I’ll do the math later, but by my reckoning that’s an extremely, exceedingly, small percentage of people who end up in the water. Astonishingly small, in my book. I wonder how many of these are never found? All? Most?

Here is an article about people who end up in the water being “rescued”. That sounds like “recovered alive”, but let’s assume it just means recovery of any body, dead or alive. From the article, between 2009 and 2019 there were 212 “overboards” with 48 being “rescued”. That puts our percentage of “overboard with body not being found (even though not in open ocean and fairly close to docking)” even lower.

Interestingly, the article also quotes a Sr. VP at Cruise Lines International Assoc., as saying “It’s almost always the result of an intentional act.”


So it would seem to me that while kidnapping a woman on a family vacation cruise and smuggling her off of the ship would be an extremely rare occurrence, an “outlier” in the realm of possibilities, a woman falling overboard and never being found (not just a body, but not even a trace of her) in a geographical area that could be pinned down fairly well, considering that they would have known pretty closely what time she fell and the fact that the ship was not in open ocean at the time, would also be an exceptionally rare occurrence.

Add to this the fact that Amy was afraid of the ocean and was a bit reticent about even going on the cruise because of her fear of being on the water (would she be leaning against/over the railing in this case?) and the other oddities, sightings, etc., my money is on nefariousness. Criminality. Yellow. Drugged and taken out in a band equipment box or large laundry carrier or some such thing.

Also: I wonder how many people who have gone missing on a cruise ship, especially where they were thought to have gone overboard, have ended up on the FBI’s Missing pages? I think Neesaki brought this up in an earlier thread and I think it’s a good point. I think the FBI isn’t/can’t rule out an overboard, because they can’t offer proof of anything at this point, but it’s hard for me to see how the FBI is involved in a case of “man overboard”.
 
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I do remember now that it wasn’t the band members who were asking about Amy, but that her parents found it somewhat odd that some of the crew were showing her what they thought was an inordinate amount of attention. A waiter also came up to her parents and asked for her by name, telling them that they, meaning the crew, wanted to take Amy to Carlos and Charlie’s in Aruba. (Incidentally, the same CC where Natalie Holloway was last seen.)
 

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