VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #12

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  1. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    What's horrible about the statute? I'm not a fan of rape. Or abduction.

    Those of us who obsess over these case and have for years know that it is not unusual for LE to refuse to give out specific evidence in advance of trial, before an arrest even.

    Welcome!!!!!! Stick around if you can.

    Not for sex trafficking. Not unless she was a runaway.

    No.

    Not one of the links you provided include the sex trafficking of middle class white adult women. It's all street kids and immigrants.

    Hannah does not fit the profile of a person who has been trafficked into sex slavery or whatever.
     


  2. billthom56

    billthom56 Verified Insider - Colonial Parkway Murders

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    My family has been working with the FBI for nearly 28 years in my sister Cathy and her friend Rebecca Dowski's deaths as part of the Colonial Parkway Murders in Virginia. Trust me, laws enforcement will not likely announce the results of any forensics testing to the public, not before all charges have been filed, an arrest made, a trial, and possible conviction. And maybe not even then.

    Bill Thomas
     
  3. tiredblondy

    tiredblondy Well-Known Member

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    :loveyou: To our Mod/s tonight -> THANK YOU! THANK YOU! It's not even Halloween and the trolls are out in full force! :blowkiss:
     
  4. Le Singe

    Le Singe Well-Known Member

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    excellent points
     
  5. Hiandmighty

    Hiandmighty Well-Known Member

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    They are girls who live on the fringe of society who no one notices/cares/ or suspects foul play if gone. One woman held as a sex slave had an abductor who wrote her family (as if he were her) and told them she went to rehab and to not contact her. The rehab would neither confirm nor deny her admittance.

    IMO, "this" is not "that"
     
  6. Phoebeb

    Phoebeb Active Member

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    imo, most likely JM didn't return to his apartment that night- he had 2 roommates, right?
     
  7. Lava

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    That is not my opinion at all, but I'm not closing out the possibility. It may be your opinion, however your question of "If LE is being reckless it will never pass muster in a trial, will it?" is why I have linked the article. There is nothing to say it won't pass muster, because there are several cases in the past where reckless LE has led to convictions.
     
  8. Kas80

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    Forensics report could also mean that a drug they found was confirmed by the lab to be a date rape drug. I think the theory that they have something proving she got in his car and then found that type of drug in his possession could very well lead to this charge. Jmo.
     
  9. JudyBolton

    JudyBolton In memory: My dear friend Martha Mickel, kidnapped

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    I have to come in late at times and I appreciate not having to scroll back when there has been an obvious development.
     
  10. Hiandmighty

    Hiandmighty Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad to see you here, Bill. I read a comment post by you today (I think from 2012) on a different forum. I think you can add helpful insight.
     
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    Zuri Well-Known Member

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    ptandj Well-Known Member

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    That's a quote (the part about it being horrible) from a web page ostensibly belonging to a lawyer - I found it from a Google search of that charge as well.

    Here's what I'm finding to help me understand what the charge means: https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/leg...00+cod+18.2-48

    I *think* I'm finding that "intent to defile" likely has a lesser burden of proof and is more inclusive than something like a rape charge. If you scroll to the relevant spot on this page (http://www.rgmorganlaw.com/sexcrimes.html) it goes more into definitions of abduction and intent to defile, essentially it reads as though intent to defile includes rape but also includes other sexual acts/ crimes.

    I'm not sure about that second source (it's the one that has the "horrible" statement), so here's the actual code that defines abduction: https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/leg...00+cod+18.2-47

    ETA: I couldn't find anything that clearly defined the scope of "intent to defile"
     
  14. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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    Hannah Graham Case: New Charges for Suspect in UVA Student Case

    Police have announced new charges against a man seen in a surveillance video with missing University of Virginia student Hannah Graham. The suspect Jesse Matthew, 32, was the last person to see Graham, 18, before she vanished early on Sept. 13.

    At a press conference on Tuesday evening, Charlottesville Police Chief Timothy Longo said they are charging Matthew with abduction with the intent to defile. A warrant was obtained for his arrest on those charges earlier Tuesday afternoon, Longo said.

    Previously, Matthew was considered as a person of interest in the case but was wanted on reckless driving charges for speeding away from a Charlottesville police station Saturday after a brief interview by investigators...

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hannah-graham-case-new-charges-suspect-uva-student-case-n210141
     
  15. MaedchenX

    MaedchenX It's business time.

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    Yes, I realize this. Certainly there are also cases, Casey Anthony comes to mind, where too much was released too soon.
     
  16. seejanecomment

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    IMO they would've charged him with possession of that drug as well..but they could be waiting for further testing to do so. JMO
     
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    Thanks, Bill. Needed more than the button.
     
  18. Perplexed 123

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    bbm, I'm not following the logic?

    Amy Bradley?
     
  19. SweetT

    SweetT Well-Known Member

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    Well since jm takes folks to surgery etc he may have or know of knock out drugs.
     
  20. Mitsana

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    MOO
    While I wasn't in the "WG did it" camp, I thought WG might well be intrigued by an attractive, drunk, disoriented woman in a (legal) opportunity-knocks kind of way. When WG sees JM take charge of the situation, he thinks someone else has grabbed the opportunity and leaves the field. I felt this was close to the story WG told, but a little more likely than a "white knight" interpretation.
    MOO
     
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