VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Retrial Day 41

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ETA- I'm loving my new copying and pasting ability, but ditzed and posted earlier before I finished this. :(

I cut and pasted tweets yesterday as Nurmi did his closing -trashing. A day later, looking at that document, calmer, as the jury likely was as they listened, a couple major points leap out.

1. Nurmi essentially conceded the jury won't find either Geffner and MF credible. (Paraphrasing- "yes, you can dismiss expert testimony...because the "key" lies elsewhere).

2. He knows the jury WILL find DeMarte credible. The best he could do to diminish DeMarte is to say her failure to say good morning to him equals bias. That's doesn't even meet the bar for pathetic.

3. The "key" he wants the jury to find is at the end of a chain of twisted misinterpretations and "diagnostic impressions": Travis was in denial about the abuse he experienced as a child, his inability to deal with the truth meant he lived a double life, the bad Travis was an abusive pedophile, but the good Travis was such a good salesman all his friends are willing to lie for him.

4. Nurmi's "key" is residual doubt...that some unsaid thing Travis did caused JA to snap between sex and shower. That's why he lied about Travis inviting JA on June 4. Nurmi wasn't allowed to be any more specific because he's not allowed to argue residual doubt- that the first jury got it wrong, and that she did not premeditate the murder. Mitigator 6 is essentially the snapped, heat of passion lie.

That's Nurmi's convoluted "key" to a LWOP verdict.

For the jury to believe Nurmi’s key, they have to not remember, any of them, that: the murder was planned out weeks in advance, that JA had left Mesa 2 months before the murder, that she drove 1,000 miles back to Mesa to kill him, and that she brought a gun with her. All of that information was presented to them in week 1.

JM didn’t and couldn’t review premeditation and the murder itself in closing. What he did do was to remind them that she used both a gun and a knife (very un-snappy) and that Travis did not invite her June 4. Most important, he told them to go back and look for themselves what the record said about whether or not she was invited. He said that, IMO, as a way of ensuring they reviewed their notes and the evidence about premeditation from week one.

If the jury fully understands and accepts the original finding of 1st degree premeditated murder, what is left of Nurmi’s key?
Perhaps a juror or two doesn’t like Travis (less likely this time), or believes that Travis may have abused her in some way. Perhaps more even believe she was abused as a child. Who knows. But even if that’s the case, what annihilates Nurmi’s storyline is that pesky premeditation thing.
The only way any juror is going to rationalize away premeditation is if the pedo lie flies. I just don’t see it.
 
During verdict watch for the DP are defendants under suicide watch??

Wel CMJA doesn't need to be on suicide watch. It would hurt too much for her to hurt herself. Plus, she has the "Jodi show" to host while she processes her appeals.
 
The reason i believe she deserves the DP is because she shows NO remorse. I want her to sit in her cell 23 hours a day thinking about it.
If she is eventually allowed out to socialize i truly believe she'll adjust and manipulate others. I can fully see her having a g/f in prison, and carrying on like she's in a dorm room.

Isolation might possibly require her to think about what she's done.

She disgusts me.
 
As much as I think JA should get the DP I'm not as confident as some of you are. I don't have a feeling one way or another as far as which way it will go. Maybe it's because we know so little about the jurors. Part of me thinks that if some could be swayed by the DT's lies, then they could hopefully be reasoned with just as easily by their fellow jurors. If JA doesn't get the DP my biggest fear is that in a matter of time, she will hurt or kill again. I am soooo glad that Juan caught Jodi in her magazine scheme. I hope the jurors look long and hard at that code and come to the realization that JA will use any method available to fulfill her needs even when she's behind bars. JA has lost and she will seek revenge IMO.
 
I cut and pasted tweets yesterday as Nurmi did his closing -trashing. A day later, looking at that document, calmer, as the jury likely was as they listened, a couple major points leap out.

1. Nurmi essentially conceded the jury won't find either Geffner and MF credible. (Paraphrasing- "yes, you can dismiss expert testimony...because the "key" lies elsewhere).

2. He knows the jury WILL find DeMarte credible. The best he could do to diminish DeMarte is to say her failure to say good morning to him equals bias. That's doesn't even meet the bar for pathetic.

3. The "key" he wants the jury to find is at the end of a chain of twisted misinterpretations and "diagnostic impressions": Travis was in denial about the abuse he experienced as a child, his inability to deal with the truth meant he lived a double life, the bad Travis was an abusive pedophile, but the good Travis was such a good salesman all his friends are willing to lie for him.

4. Nurmi's "key" is residual doubt...that some unsaid thing Travis did caused JA to snap between sex and shower. That's why he lied about Travis inviting JA on June 4. Nurmi wasn't allowed to be any more specific because he's not allowed to argue residual doubt- that the first jury got it wrong, and that she did not premeditate the murder. Mitigator 6 is essentially the snapped, heat of passion lie.

That's Nurmi's convoluted "key" to a LWOP verdict.

For the jury to believe Nurmi’s key, they have to not remember, any of them, that: the murder was planned out weeks in advance, that JA had left Mesa 2 months before the murder, that she drove 1,000 miles back to Mesa to kill him, and that she brought a gun with her. All of that information was presented to them in week 1.

JM didn’t and couldn’t review premeditation and the murder itself in closing. What he did do was to remind them that she used both a gun and a knife (very un-snappy) and that Travis did not invite her June 4. Most important, he told them to go back and look for themselves what the record said about whether or not she was invited. He said that, IMO, as a way of ensuring they reviewed their notes and the evidence about premeditation from week one.

If the jury fully understands and accepts the original finding of 1st degree premeditated murder, what is left of Nurmi’s key?
Perhaps a juror or two doesn’t like Travis (less likely this time), or believes that Travis may have abused her in some way. Perhaps more even believe she was abused as a child. Who knows. But even if that’s the case, what annihilates Nurmi’s storyline is that pesky premeditation thing.
The only way any juror is going to rationalize away premeditation is if the pedo lie flies. I just don’t see it.

agree with every word but I fear the whole "would you kill this kid" spiel may net him at least one juror
 
I'm gonna guess that if they are still deliberating after lunch today that it will be LWOP. :dunno:

So what will Cougarlicious do now for attention? Stripper pole at the old age home?


:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: You are hilarious, Steely !

This is JMO but after Cougarlicious "performance" on Social Media, I do not believe she will be hired again as a "mitigation specialist."

:seeya:
 
I don't think the jury fell off of a turnip truck. The defense team clearly exaggerated and lied. As a juror i'd be insulted.

For that reason, I think they'll return a DP verdict. :)
 
I'm actually still in shock about yesterdays closing. It was just awful I don't know how his family sat through that c** p without knocking someone out. They have a heck of a lot more dignity and restraint than I do! KN would have been eating his teeth. Respect to them for not losing it.
 
Wonder how Jodi's little ride to the courthouse is going for her today? Not too many of those left, so I hope she really appreciates those skylines, etc.
(no, I really don't hope she enjoys anything, sorry)

I'd know they won't make her, but I don't know why she can't be showing up to hear the verdict in her stripes - it won't "sway" the jury anymore, LOL :)

Clink...clink...clink Jodi :)
 
@TrialDiariesJ: I'm off and running to the courthouse for verdict watch! Will it be today? It begins around 9am MST #jodiarias
 
~ Morning Tweets ~

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1h1 hour ago

I'm off and running to the courthouse for verdict watch! Will it be today? It begins around 9am MST #jodiarias


Monica Lindstrom ‏@monicalindstrom · 36m36 minutes ago

Getting ready for great conversation with @MyFoxPhoenix @andreafox10 @rickdamicofox10 @ronhoon #JodiArias death? Or life?


Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 20m20 minutes ago

I'm here at the courthouse, not for #JodiArias but at least I get free parking today.
 
:seeya: IF any Courtroom Tweeters are reading here:

Please, we want a Fashion Report on the Jurors !

Are they dressed up more than usual ?

:tyou:
 
Wonder why the reporters go to the courthouse. Do they just want to be there in case the verdict comes down.
 
I don't remember Nurmi describing JA "snapping" or anything else about the murder itself in his opening or closing, but iirc JM played the JA-Flores interviews for the jury in his 4-5 day case recap. The COA ended JA's secret testimony before she'd even described moving to Mesa. So iirc all the jury knows about what happened on June 4 from JA's perspective is what she told Flores about the ninjas, other than JW drawing out first-thing in her secret testimony that she knew at Hoover Dam that she'd done a bad thing, she wasn't clear what, and that she checked TA's voicemails for 16 minute because it took that long to leave one of her own that sounded normal ... which was her first attempt to "cover my tracks" (not).



Nurmi has brought up June 4, including in closing. His fullest attempt to plant snapped was via MF. That day of testimony focused ad naseum on the May 26 text. He used the text to say BOTH Travis and JA were suicidal,, then fast forwarded to June 4. MF said..".I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, but something did. " That's when she said June 4 was a day of love, and also that the murder was JA's "psychological vomit" of all the horrible things Travis said in that text.

ETA.. In Nurmi's closing.... that TA invited her and that they had sex...he was asking them to remember MF and her vomit story.
 
Nurmi has brought up June 4, including in closing. His fullest attempt to plant snapped was via MF. That day of testimony focused ad naseum on the May 26 text. He used the text to say BOTH Travis and JA were suicidal,, then fast forwarded to June 4. MF said..".I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, but something did. " That's when she said what happened on June 4 was JA's "psychological vomit" of all the horrible things Travis said in that text.

But there were no details like her camera-dropping resulting in TA's picking her up and body-slamming her twice into the tile floor? Or her run and leap to top closet shelf to retrieve TA's nonexistent gun, etc.?
 
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