Viable suspect: Damien Echols

Discussion in 'West Memphis III' started by Ausgirl, Dec 14, 2013.

  1. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    While I'm exploring the wide variety of alternate suspects I can't ignore the fact that, despite the many glaring problems with the evidence presented against him court, Echols was actually a good suspect for this crime.

    And as I have asked posters to please respect the spirit of these threads elsewhere, I likewise ask that we here refrain from the usual endless quibbling and the usual chestnuts regarding the fact he was already convicted -- we have heard all this before, and there's OTHER threads for arguing guilt or innocence, many of them, for that purpose.

    -- This-- thread is for exploring the reasons WHY you think Echols WAS a good suspect. Prior to the court case, let's say.

    Please do not derail it. Please, TRY to treat this as a -suspect- thread, rather than a 'he's guilty! cuz the court said so!" thread. Ok?

    That said, here's one good reason, to kick the thread off:

    -- Damien was known to be violent, and to make threats of extreme violence toward other kids and adults around him.
     
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  3. kyleb

    kyleb New Member

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    Well Echols' history of violent thoughts and actions as detailed here made him a notable potential suspect from the start. Then, on 5/9 Narlene Hollingsworth reported having Echols on the night of the murders just a few hundred yards from where the bodies where found and dirtied as someone who'd just hidden the bodies in the creek would be, which bumped him up on the potential suspect list.

    It wasn't until 5/26 that evidence made Echols and actual suspect, when William Winford Jones came forward with a detailed account of Echols confessing to him. Around eight months later Ron Lax convinced Jones to retract his story, but at least until then it made Echols a better suspect than anyone else. Then on 6/3 Jessie Misskelley was questioned in the hopes he might've heard something from Echols too when Misskelley confessed to participating in the murders along with Echols, and that together with the aforementioned evidence made Echols along with the other two arrested that day the three best suspects there's ever been in this case, not even counting the rest of the evidence which was later uncovered and presented at trial or otherwise.
     
  4. primitivefuture

    primitivefuture New Member

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    How do you mean Lax convinced him to retract? Is there proof of that?


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  5. kyleb

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    Yeah, images of the hearing transcript where both Jones and Ron Lax's empoly both Cheryl Aycock testified to as much is linked near the bottom of the page on William Winford Jones which I linked previously, though this HTML version makes for easier reading.
     
  6. UdbCrzy2

    UdbCrzy2 New Member

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    All three Echols, Baldwin & Misskelley alibis fail for the TOD which the defense expert says is from 6:00pm to 10:00pm. The defense kept this out of the trial because it made their clients look bad, but this is what the defense expert had as TOD.

    Page 515
    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/rule37/june10.html



    22 A. Mr. Baldwin's lawyers -- one of their key issues in their
    23 defense was trying to establish that the time of death did not
    24 occur between the -- this is kind of general -- 6:00 o'clock to
    25 10:00 o'clock p.m. time period on the day of the murders.


    515

    1 Their theory was it took place sometime after midnight,
    2 around 2:00 o'clock to 4:00 a.m., somewhere in that time period.
    3 So that was one of the things that Doctor Sperry had looked
    4 at for us to see if he could determine the time of death and
    5 determine which of those windows it would fit in.
    6 Q. When he looked at that particular information, are you
    7 aware as to what input he gave back to you regarding an estimate
    8 as to time of death?
    9 A. His conclusion was it would not have been the 2:00 to 4:00
    10 a.m. time period, that it would have been between the 6:00 and
    11 10:00 p.m. -- on the days the boys were missing.
    12 Q. That 6:00 to 10:00 p.m. would have been something that
    13 would have been consistent with the state's theory of the case,
    14 correct?
    15 A. Yes, sir.
    16 Q. So y'all kind of kept that tight to your vest and didn't
    17 reveal that because it's not helpful to your client?
    18 A. That's correct.
     
  7. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    A couple of reasons that Echols is not off my personal suspect radar:

    - He was bragging about -something- to do with the crime, I believe, at the softball park (though I do think this all was embellished a good deal by the witnesses too). Most importantly, he admits he said something, there.. Echols being what I consider to be a compulsive liar who constantly bignoted himself by trying to seem scary and mysterious, it's hard to say whether he meant any of it. But it bothers me, nonetheless and I think it is a good reason for eyeballing him.

    - Again, the liar thing must be considered -- but I don't see why Damien would flat out deny knowing the area of the crime scene or having lived nearby. Granted, it would have been damaging for his case, so there's a reason to lie. But as simply walking past a place isn't particularly incriminating a detail, that he lied -and continued to lie up to the present - still bothers me.
     
  8. UdbCrzy2

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    That was pretty good. I find that very odd that the witnesses were possibly being intimidated by Lax and then when Jones had to be escorted by Aycock that was just plain weird if you ask me.
     
  9. kyleb

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    Yeah, it is an odd story. I'd really like to hear that recording Aycock, and see the rest of Ron Lax's records for that matter, though I won't be holding my breath for that.
     
  10. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    The alibi failure is a good reason to suspect Echols -- and remember, this thread is ONLY about Echols.. Feel free to elaborate on that point if you like, I'd appreciate a concise breakdown of that for the list of reasons.
     
  11. kyleb

    kyleb New Member

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    Such can be found here.
     
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    Have you ever listened to the tapes conversation between Domini and LG? To me, the voice in the 911 call sounds like it could be LG.


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  14. UdbCrzy2

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    I listened to LG & Domini's call, but it didn't sound like his voice to me. BTW here's the link to it.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/dt_lg_call.html
     
  15. primitivefuture

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    It didn't sound like Damian's voice to me, but honestly I don't think anyone here is qualified to analyze such a thing, including myself. It's too bad they couldn't trace the call to make sure it wasn't a prank.


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  16. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    Sounds -nothing- like Echols, to me. Not the timbre of the voice, not the accent, and while pitch can be changed quite easily, it's actually hard to properly disguise a voice without it -sounding- like a disguised voice.

    Might just be because he's on my rader atm, but it sounds much more like JMK than Echols..
     
  17. reedus23

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    So apparently a PI, who holds NO legal authority, can overcome one's free will and get them to say something that isn't true but yet LE, who is the epitomy of legal authority, cannot overcome one's free will to get them to say something that's not true.
     
  18. reedus23

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    As for Echols being a suspect:

    -His prior problems(I don't know how much of it is fact vs. fiction so I'll leave it at problems).
    -Like it or not, his uniqueness brings attention and makes LE take note thus making him a suspect.
    -His cavalier attitude that comes off as arrogant didn't make matters any better.

    All I can think of off the top of my head.
     
  19. Graznik

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    IMO, a lot of what would have made Echols a viable suspect was based on less than reliable hearsay. The statements from the Hollingsworth clan were... Well. Confusing at best. The softball girls were just a mess. But let's not stray in to all of that and derail the thread too much. ;)

    Regarding Echols' alibi. Personally, I don't have much of a problem with it. However, was any of it ever corroborated by any kind of documentation?
    I believe the Sanders provided some sort of receipt from the casino, which at least to a certain degree would corroborate that part of Echols' alibi. Was anything similar ever provided from the Medical Health Centre or pharmacy that Echols' claimed to have visited earlier in the day?
     
  20. UdbCrzy2

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    BBM

    His sister gave a statement that his mother went in the pharmacy to get the meds.



    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/michelle.html
     
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    Cheers UdbCrzy2! :)
    I was aware of how the whole family basically stated the same thing, but no receipt for the meds or record from the Health Centre was ever provided? It's a small detail but could do a lot for credibility.
    It's just weird how the most obvious things seem to be missing from this case. Like how phone records were never checked until it, conveniently enough, was too late.
     

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