Victim: Amber Lynn Costello

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My thought is LISK is forensically attuned. He's been careful so far....and it argues for concentrating on the G4 as Oak Beach was anything but controlled and careful.

Oh and also, no, voice identification isn't enough to get a conviction or even indictment for that matter. If there's a recording though, maybe it needs to be made public. Even if it's a small part or a few words. Someone may recognize the voice
 

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That raises an interesting point. LISK is also sadistic. Controlling and sadistic. The phone calls to Amanda are the acts of a sadist. (My/our thoughts are that he didn't kill Melissa right away.)

Calling is not careless in and of itself. Well, a measured risk if you will. He kept them short enough to impede tracking. And I believe he'd have gotten his jollies if Amanda went public with the content of his calls.

I hope it's not believed we think LISK is a criminal mastermind - most of these guys aren't rocket scientists. But he is careful and measured as far as SKs go. He is not what is called a disorganized killer.

One of the more interesting parts of the case is why the police have apparently asked Amanda to not get into the details of the calls. Or for that matter release to the public a snippet of his calls if any were recorded. I don't pretend to have an answer there.

Just wondering here:

Is it possible he did kill her right away but wanted her family to believe he was keeping her alive somewhere? Otherwise, why not put Melissa on the phone... let them hear her/her torture. I mean, that would truly be sadistic. I think it's possible that once he saw photos of her younger sister (via Melissa's cell)... he wished he could kill her, also. But, she wasn't his usual "easy" prey (I mean she wasn't a sex worker advertising online) and so he opted for the next (best) thing... torturing her with words on the phone.
 

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Just wondering here:

Is it possible he did kill her right away but wanted her family to believe he was keeping her alive somewhere? Otherwise, why not put Melissa on the phone... let them hear her/her torture. I mean, that would truly be sadistic. I think it's possible that once he saw photos of her younger sister (via Melissa's cell)... he wished he could kill her, also. But, she wasn't his usual "easy" prey (I mean she wasn't a sex worker advertising online) and so he opted for the next (best) thing... torturing her with words on the phone.

BBM

I've never believed he held these women for any length of time. Partly for the reason you stated, but also because I don't believe he had a place where he could hold them without detection. In other words, he doesn't live alone, imo. It's not a coincidence that his calls to Amanda came around dinner time. If you consider that he's a man who works in NYC and lives with his family on LI, then these calls would have come when he had the opportunity to torment...in other words, on the ride home from work.

JMO
 

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Did Amber also go by the name "Christina?




 

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HERE'S THE TRUTH ABOUT AMBER

Some say she asked for it and had it coming because she was running a scam out of her home where she would lure guys in from Craigslist, get them naked on her bed and then leave the room while her scary boyfriend and another man would rush in with baseball bats and steal the john's money. Amber didn't even need to have sex with her johns. She was running a scam and stealing their money and scaring them away.

Joseph Palminteri, 63, a retired forklift driver who lives across the street from Costello, said police were called to her home "too many times to count."

"It was always something. Lots of screaming. Lots of yelling. Lots of drugs," he said. "Sometime last July a naked man was banging on my door at 10 at night. He came from [Costello's] house. He was screaming: 'Don't let them kill me! He's going to kill me!'"

Talk on longislanderotic.com shows members were outraged when one of their cronies claimed he had paid Amber Lynn Costello $200 for sex, only to be robbed by men who barged into her West Babylon home.

Shortly after, a pal called "italyrider" asked for her address: "No one from this board needs to be involved. I have friends who can take care of this s---."

Humiliatrix69 posted Costello's address, a description of her home, and her phone number. Three days days later, Morrie chimed in: "A friend of ours told me today that 'You won't hear from those 2 girls anymore!'"

Costello advertised herself as a "Southern girl" named "Carolina," who was "short, sexy & a lot of fun." Humiliatrix69 didn't have such a good time.

"Seemed really friendly," his angry post read. "Provided the donation. She slipped away and got comfortable, and so did I. Then there was a knock at the door."

Humiliatrix69 claimed two men armed with a baseball bat rushed at him. One claimed he was Costello's boyfriend. Humiliatrix69 wished he had a gun — what he called his "tooley." They fought on the front lawn.

"I made it clear that it wasn't over, so after posting this ...I gotta go handle this," he wrote.

These guys post on another board called utopiaguide dot com. Do a search for the "Carney Construction Crew" and you will find all of their members discussing this stuff in detail.

People, it is highly unlikely that Amber was killed by one SK working alone. This is so obvious yet nobody.. not John Ray, not the authors of the books and not the producers of these tv shows cares to explore these well documented facts. AMBER was targeted by a group of men who PROMISED to hurt her.

UGHH.

READ ABOUT IT HERE:
Internet sex forum wanted 'revenge' vs. Long Island hooker later murdered, dumped in burial grounds
 

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Another post from the past... several posts before and after this one might also deserve review.

"ALLEGEDLY, from " a few girls "(not my saying so) Carney Construction Crew"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tim-Amber-Lynn-Costello&p=8662244#post8662244


Last week I found a link between Ruis and the name mentioned above. Whether it's associated with construction, Utopia Guide or anything else... I don't know.
 

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Another post from the past... several posts before and after this one might also deserve review.

"ALLEGEDLY, from " a few girls "(not my saying so) Carney Construction Crew"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tim-Amber-Lynn-Costello&p=8662244#post8662244


Last week I found a link between Ruis and the name mentioned above. Whether it's associated with construction, Utopia Guide or anything else... I don't know.

Yep ..... always wondered if anything came of criminal minds contact info...

I would dearly love to know if Brewer was ever connected with any of these guys who used to hook up for get togethers at the various Long Island joints of interest.
 

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Something of interest. ....reading over older threads here...

Were these murders ever solved (links below) .....

I had seen members of the ccc on Utopiaguide giving out location details .... that this area was a hotspot for streetwalkers..... these murders pre date Jessica Taylor by 2 years.

But I have seen the mention......or..thought we maybe looking closer at a Queens connection.....Rosedale and Queens are so close in proximity. ...thought it may be of interest.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/cops-seek-killer-women-article-1.909713

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2001/16/20010420-archive202.html
 

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Another post from the past... several posts before and after this one might also deserve review.

"ALLEGEDLY, from " a few girls "(not my saying so) Carney Construction Crew"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tim-Amber-Lynn-Costello&p=8662244#post8662244


Last week I found a link between Ruis and the name mentioned above. Whether it's associated with construction, Utopia Guide or anything else... I don't know.

One thing that stood out to me ..... with Bittrolff arrest - He operated a business called Coastal Construction... The coincidences between ccc and then all the JB initials..have my mind swimming...

The one thing with Bittrolff..... when that pig Leah Cuevas murdered and dropped body parts off starting in Bay Shore...Nothing!!!!!!.........But then soon after with the arrest of John Bittrolff....scpd...all over it contacting relatives of LISK victims to say it was unrelated?? ....something weird with that.
 

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How recent are the pictures we have seen of the GB4? What did they look like when they went missing? In the book Lost Girls, ALC is described as being 80lbs and covered in track marks. She does not look that way in the pictures I have seen. How many others looked very different by the time they went missing?
 

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Not likely what? A LIRR conductor works in Penn where calls come from, then goes back home to Massapequa where more calls come from. Why so many calls from Penn? Maybe your looking for someone who works there. Someone in a transit uniform on the surveillance videos from calls times isnt going to stand out. Many people have suggested transit cop. I could see an LIRR conductor striking up a conversation with Amber when the train is not very crowded, then finding her in Craigslist and when he calls Amber kinda knows him from her commute so her guard is down. I'd really like to a more thorough account of Amber's day to day schedule. Here's who we know she encountered daily: Drug Dealer, LIRR conductor, ?.

That's assuming that she went through Penn, from where she was coming from it would have been quicker to get to the hub in Jamaica Queens, or Brooklyn's Atlantic Terminal. Those are the other 2 major LIRR hubs in NYC, and both Jamaica and Atlantic Terminal have as much traffic as Penn. Similarly, you can score any kind of dope within a few blocks from all 3 hubs for about the same dollar amount per sack, cheap.

LIRR conductors work full shifts and have tightly regimented schedules. They don't get "calls," they have consistent train schedules that they keep M-F with more limited service Sat and Sunday. Typically, when starting or ending a shift, they get on or off the train respectively at a designated stop. They don't have leeway to get on and off whenever they feel like it. Additionally they work in groups. There's the main conductor, and then there's the groups of ticket punchers/door watchers. They're usually a two wo/man team, with a couple teams per train. It would be very difficult for a conductor to pick up a hooker on the train, and bounce with her without drawing serious and immediate speculation.

There are also LIRR regular commuters, which total a little south of 400,000 people per day. Usually the only people that conductors recognize and say anything more than "ticket" too when punching are older and have been on that same train, at that same time, every day, 5 days a week for 15 years.

If simply riding the LIRR is the connection, it'd most likely be a passenger, not a conductor IMO.
 

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Something popped into my head this morning. Amber was said to take the LIRR into NYC almost daily to get her drugs. Several things are off about this. The LIRR is a long ride into the city unless you're in Nassau County. It is notoriously pricy. Now, I remember when I was younger, I'd take Metro North to work. One of the conductors had a thing for me, and often he'd let me ride for free. You know who would have a job that would put them on Long Island and also near Penn station? An LIRR conductor. Just my thoughts.
 

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Huh. I didn't see the post above mine before I wrote that out.
 

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I am sure AC and DS were not making additional friends witht he robbery tactics they were deploying. Maybe they robbed the murderer of the GB4 and he came back for more.
This post caught my eye. A caller asked Amber to meet him at the Holiday Express. She declined. This is the same Hotel Megan was last seen.
 

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Something popped into my head this morning. Amber was said to take the LIRR into NYC almost daily to get her drugs. Several things are off about this. The LIRR is a long ride into the city unless you're in Nassau County. It is notoriously pricy. Now, I remember when I was younger, I'd take Metro North to work. One of the conductors had a thing for me, and often he'd let me ride for free. You know who would have a job that would put them on Long Island and also near Penn station? An LIRR conductor. Just my thoughts.

I'm not so sure you can take that story for granted that she constantly went to NYC to get her heroin. I've known a lot of drug users on Long Island and I've never met anyone into the scene that needed to go from suffolk county to nyc to get a fix. Sounds very outlandish and I'm just talking civilian users. If you're an escort you probably know at least 10-20 people local you can ask for a connect.

I just can't picture a female junkie doing all the work to score when its in her back yard and she knows it.
 

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I'm not so sure you can take that story for granted that she constantly went to NYC to get her heroin. I've known a lot of drug users on Long Island and I've never met anyone into the scene that needed to go from suffolk county to nyc to get a fix. Sounds very outlandish and I'm just talking civilian users. If you're an escort you probably know at least 10-20 people local you can ask for a connect.

I just can't picture a female junkie doing all the work to score when its in her back yard and she knows it.

Boyfriend's methadone clinic daily dose LES better dope cheaper
 

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I'm not so sure you can take that story for granted that she constantly went to NYC to get her heroin. I've known a lot of drug users on Long Island and I've never met anyone into the scene that needed to go from suffolk county to nyc to get a fix. Sounds very outlandish and I'm just talking civilian users. If you're an escort you probably know at least 10-20 people local you can ask for a connect.

I just can't picture a female junkie doing all the work to score when its in her back yard and she knows it.
LI has a heroin problem. Amber did not have to travel to NYC for a fix. Guess Dave said that so his connection on the Island doesnt get nervous. He was talking to cops and media.
 
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