Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by Salem, Apr 29, 2011.
Good rabbit hole, though !
i THINK they were talking about James Bissett. He committed suicide shortly after the bodies were found and owned a landscaping service or nursery, I forget which one.
No, it's a secret. Don't tell anyone, especially the Queen of Swords reversed
who has an obsession with belt buckles from decades past.
Slow down there now, we have yet to see a buckle
This is interesting. Pure speculation, but I find the chronology has one distinct feature. Pre-Shannan, there were large gaps between the women going missing. But after Shannan Meghan and Amber happened in quick succession. It does make me wonder if that was because LISK felt time was running out and he wanted to make sure he could do a few more before the heat created by Shannan’s case stopped him operating.
There seems to be a strong possibility that the GB4 were kept somewhere else and moved altogether, probably after Amber’s murder. That’s what Kolker believes as the bodies were all prepared in the same way and were left with totally precise differences between them that would have been almost impossible to do several years apart in the darkness in an overgrown and perilous area. They were curated. I this that fits in with worrying about heat too. Perhaps the original place they stored could be too easily connected to him?
If that is the case, it would mean that he knew about what had happened with Shannan. And that wasn’t public knowledge at the time so he would need to be located either close to Oak Beach to know people were asking questions and poking about. Or connected to LE. But I do find this burst of uncharacteristically frenetic behaviour after Shannan went missing intriguing.
The other thing that puzzles me. LE absolutely MUST know whether the bodies were placed there at the same time or separately because of vegetation growth, presence or absence of liquified flesh if they’d decomposed in situ. But they’ve never confirmed or denied it to the public and I can’t understand why. If they were put there at the same time that would give a 3 month window between the dumping and discovery. Clarifying that to the public could prompt for instance witnessing of odd behaviour at lock ups or neighbours loading at night, cars smelling of death. It’s a shambles they haven’t done that.
My belief is that the thrill of pulling it off successfully had him itching for another kill. Perhaps he was aware of an expiration date on his dumping grounds, however, I don't believe the availability of the spot , or lack of, would keep him from killing.
Interesting theory. I wonder where they would be kept. Pretty dicey if you ask me, to go retrieve multiple sets of remains in varying stages of decay and move them all at once. Unless the bodies were kept in a freezer. I think they were dumped at different times. There could have been a landmark or some form of a flag post he used to keep the bodies relatively close together as it seems this stretch in particular is where he felt most comfortable.
Agreed that the murders of Waterman & Costello have something frenzied about them. I believe he was feeling very confident at the time these were done. Don't take that out of context as men who murdered petite women, at the core are inherently insecure. I believe he felt confident in his ability to pull the crimes off.
Yeah, they probably know this, ultimately, that odd behavior you'd associate with someone who killed another human being and transported their corpse would have been exhibited either way, whether they were disposed of individually or all together. They still need to keep some cards close to the chest to eliminate any wanna-be's or confirm the information only the killer would know. It also probably helps them weigh the accuracy of tips that come in, for instance, if they know for certain and it's backed by the science that the bodies were left at separate times, it may make a tip about someone's ex-husband moving 4 burlap sacks at once not ring as true.
By REMARKABLE coincidence I met a family member in Connecticut of a recently retired female detective who told me her sister retired because she was terrified of Burke. I tried to get more but as you might understand they didn't want to get more specific. I asked a well informed detective who this gal might be and was told her name. I never bothered to find and talk to her because I figured she had enough grief to deal with. It rang true and I believed it to be true so why bother if there was nothing I could do, anyway. Her husband and others were there and no one bothered to dispute her.
I don’t think just lack of availability of a spot on its own would have stopped him killing either. I meant more that police interest in the case may have stopped him in the interests of self-preservation.
As for moving the bodies all at once, I was watching an interview with a detective saying the bodies were dumped together. Trying to find it, think it was Dormer.
Yes, it probably would be dicey moving 4 bodies. But less dicey than the dead bodies of 4 sex workers being discovered in a location connected easily to him.
Yes, the police do need to withhold certain things. But they have to weigh that against how useful it would be to release information. If they WERE dumped together then the only things we know for certain about him are that he has connections to NYC and LI and moved 4 bodies in burlap between September and December 2010. BTW Maureen & Melissa (unless in a freezer which is possible) would have been bones by then.
DS interviews and starting to share more comes from a real place. There is a sincere and genuine nature to the way he speaks especially when you watch video footage. He is a strong guy that is holding back a lot of pain, guilt and blame and I know as a former male in the adult industry this well.
I have never seen this shared anywhere or talked about & I tried to get a hold of Kim Overstreet last year but she has been in and out of jail. It seems the death of her sister has really taken a toll on her as she continues to rack up arrests in the North Carolina prison system.
Amber Lynn Costello worked at an adult store about 1.5 miles from her home called ‘Tunnel Of Love’. I was hoping DS would come forward with this info but maybe she kept him in the dark from it. It seems she was very secretive. Her on and off boyfriend Bjorn Brodsky is a lifelong drug thugg from a wealthy family on Long Island and has never publicly come forward to talk.
The adult store I speak of for those not from Long Island is off a street called Edison Ave, otherwise known in the underground sex world here as the ‘Edison Strip’. The street runs along an industrial park of 15 blocks. Borders or in the middle of all this are 5 cemeteries and a massive town dump as well as many trucking and various LLC construction, landscaping, manufacturing and you name it facilities.
The blocks are alphabetical from A-O I believe and there are 5 of these adult type buildings spread out every couple of blocks. Some of them are swinger clubs, adult theatres or traditional xxx video stores with ‘lap dance’ rooms. However all of them are fronts for prostitution and have even been open the whole pandemic until 3 or 4am.
Amber could have easily worked here without DS knowing so close to the house. Why? Well DS while talking bad about sex work in his LISK podcast and in Lost Girls was her glorified pimp and benefited from the money she made for his drug habit. The house in West Babylon they all lived in is/was owned by his parents. Amber could have started working at this store turning tricks and keeping her profit to her self. The going rate at these places is $200-250 for full service after a house fee. When she normally had to work out of DS home sharing profits. Also the street his house was on is a high traffic cut through block that SCPD patrol often as the neighborhood borders one of the highest crime African American neighborhoods, Wyadanch. The heat on the house could have had her looking elsewhere. DS said there were some rough encounters with John’s there and a few escort review forums called for her blood and said they were going to her home shortly before her death.
The cost of working at this club automatically brings John’s in without promoting and also no cost for a hotel room although Amber was known to work out of the Americana and Hollywood in farmingdale.
There is no doubt in my mind LISK is no stranger to the Edison Strip.
The SCPD out all the girls should have done more work regarding Ambers disappearance. She went missing on September 2nd and was found December 10th. That is remarkably quick and something the killer surely didn’t imagine. I believe she was identified in January the following month which a lot more can have been asked of the public but wasn’t. For reasons well we know and will continue to learn as the cabal falls down.
The theory of the GB4 is strange though considering it would have been after Shannon went missing all at once. The fact that Amber was even dumped there after Shannon’s disappeared is insane but living on LI I can’t recall many of any news stories from Shannon’s disappearance in May of 2010 until December when the bodies were found.
Bumping for amber.
Apologies if I previously shared this. It’s been a while so I don’t recall, but it bears repeating:
Listen to Dave Schaller’s interview on the 1st season of the LISK podcast, he said he identified Amber’s body by a small tattoo on her arm.
Amber disappeared on September 2, 2010, and her remains were discovered in December 2010. September weather on Long Island is humid, warm and sunny, all of which would accelerate the decomposition of a body left exposed to the elements. Under such conditions, Amber’s remains would have been reduced to skeletal long before December 2010, and therein lies the question: was Amber kept alive for some time after her disappearance, or were her remains frozen, thus keeping her tattoo intact and visible?
Bumping for Amber
Is it typical for serial murderers to increase frequency when they’re feeling pinched? I guess Bundy was like that? Anyway, I think it would be more logical to assume a high frequency means they feel more comfortable and in control. Given that fact, I’d suppose 2 victims per quarter might be his standard interval (ie Amber, Megan). The years long gap between MBB to Melissa & Melissa to Megan suggests there’s unaccounted for bodies in between.
I'm sure there are many more out there that have died that died to ODs., and not counted a murders. I believe if one researches such untimely deaths you will find many more. In one case I know of one mysterious death where the girl was found dead on the sofa of a well known, now a former lawyer.
In another case I know of a gal who was involved with another lawyer who tried to get her to a party with a fresh supply of Percocet. She was persuaded not to meet that lawyer by a relative. They believed she was going to be killed by an OD.
Keep in mind Bissets partner at the aquarium also committed suicide. Strange isn't it?
My thought on that is that usually he was happy with once every few years, and there may be more bodies out there too.
But Shannan’s death caused fuss and ruckus. He may well have felt he might be arrested/convicted over Shannan so wanted to get several fast fixes just in case they he lost the freedom to do more, maybe?
Now this, in regards to the partner, I did not know.
per various reports, DS claims that the last call Amber received was at 1030. She left the house very shortly thereafter to get in the car parked around the corner. DS also claims that Amber received a number of calls from the killer - 4 or 5 in total throughout that day. Do we know when the calls started? It would also be nice to know when the second-to-last call was made as this might give us an indication of how long the killer needed to drive to Amber's location.
Given Amber was discovered only three months after she went missing, I am hopeful that LE has those phone logs, is able to identify the number the killer used and what cell towers that number was attached to. If more than one call came from the same tower, or there is a noticeable geographical progression (ie. calls moving east, etc) they would have probably started focusing on these trend lines. And then perhaps scrutinize the very fist call to get an overlapping radius of where the killer was located.
I doubt he was calling Amber from his house. He was using a burner phone & probably driving around or parked somewhere while talking to her. Back then, which is over 10 years ago, no one knew about the new technologies that could possibly find someone using a burner phone by overlapping that signal with the persons regular cell phone that sitting right next to them.
For instance, if LISK had his regular cellphone on while using his burner phone to contact Amber & any other victim, theres a good chance he used his regular cellphone to contact his wife to tell her he might be late coming home, etc.....the new technology will be looking at the signals from the burner phones locations & what other signals were right there by that burner phone.