Victim: Maureen Brainard-Barnes

Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by Salem, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. PreciousDust

    PreciousDust Active Member

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    Pete, I watched the video, worst burglary I've ever seen. Wanted to point out, re: the distance from GB4 to Oak Beach, if you go by the Cedar Beach Marina (right in the middle of the body zone):
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    The building there south of labeled (in blue) Cedar Island is the Cedar Island Marina. From there, to midpoint in Oak Beach where the "burglary happened" is 4.4 miles, quite a ways really:
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  2. Sleuth_Noob

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    From what I recall, that NYPD officer was cleared as a suspect based on findings of IA investigation in relation to MBB disappearance…I would love to know how they were able to cross him off the list. And also, was this officer their ever looked at again, by IA or otherwise, after the GB4 bodies were discovered and it was realized that they ALL had posted ads to Craigslist? And what about the ‘bumper’ of ads that worked for Craigslist?
     
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  3. Sleuth_Noob

    Sleuth_Noob Well-Known Member

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    NYPD Officer Linked to Maureen Brainard Barnes
     
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  4. PreciousDust

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    "The building there south of labeled (in blue) Cedar Island is the Cedar Island Marina. From there, to midpoint in Oak Beach where the "burglary happened" is 4.4 miles"

    Have to correct myself, the 4.4 is via car with a big turnaround; by foot, it's 2.7 miles.
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  5. hawkshaw

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    For me it's pretty simple assuming the killer(s) have any logic attached to them. You just don't go back and bring a 2nd., 3rd. and 4th body there unless you know it is safe. How could you possibly know that? If the cops found only one body they would have been swarming all over the place. If it was within eye's view of where you lived you would see it. No cops No problem.

    Too. bad the cops/DA weren't finding killers as they are 'clearing' suspect as Spota did clearing Bisset and Brewer. It's just damned well impossible to then go out and make a public statement at that short period of time. What did someone say. to Spota to get him to clear Bisset?
     
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  6. Sleuth_Noob

    Sleuth_Noob Well-Known Member

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    Right on…

    It’s all circumstantial but the connection to burlap, known frequenting of prostitutes—including an alleged possible connection directly to Shannan Gilbert per John Ray, along w. Burke—and connection to Oak Beach…
    oh right, and he killed himself the day after Gilbert’s body is found…

    ‘Cleared.’
     
  7. Pulled onion

    Pulled onion Former Member

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    I noticed that Maureen had tattoos. Has anyone looked into where she got them. And if any or all the victim's had tattoos. This could be a clue. They also should look into places the woman purchased their phones. And clothes. And bars and restaurants they went to. Could be someone who worked in these places were targeting them.
     
  8. fashionella

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    Very interesting thread. I'd like to add a coupe of things. First as some have mentioned, there are no trains from Penn to Ct. They all go to Long Island (or Jamaica on the way to LI)....they all go East.(well an Amtrak could go to New London but it's not close to Norwich and very expensive) My theory is this: she booked several appointments in NY for her trip, no one is spending money on a hotel etc without having a schedule of lucrative appts. I think the LISK had prior appts with her and she trusted him. I think she called him on his burner phone and either made a last minute appt or called him for $$. I think he said "I'll pick you up outside Penn (in the dark so cameras can't catch anything) and take you to my place and get you home via Ferry/car/train tomorrow. I think he picked her up in an official car with a uniform on (I have my theory but it isn't a police car/uniform) she trusted him and got in.
     
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    And I'll go a stepS further and assume LE checked cameras bc Penn station post 9/11 has tons of cameras and so do the surrounding areas. If he pulled up in NYC to pick her up (which I think he did bc there is no way he would get on a train with her) then he made sure his car could not be picked up on camera in a lit area, which is hard to do and is probably why LE things he has a LE background/education. If her phone was last pinged in Manhattan then she was abducted in Manhattan/her phone was turned off in Manhattan
     
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    Metro North New Haven line
     
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  11. GRIMLOCK

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    I doubt it.
    Maureen went missing in 07 and her family have spoken numerous times of the trouble they had getting LE to give a damn.
    There may have been footage but if you ask me, LISK wouldn't have needed to tidy up any loose ends. No one was looking and that footage was long gone by the time her body was found.
    Her phone's last ping was a mast on fire island afaik.
    A lot of Maureen's disappearance does not make sense. If this guy was a regular, then he would have had the burner in his possession for a number of weeks or months and have it on pretty regularly to communicate.
    My guess would be that she did get robbed(as she told her friend), needed the cash and broke her own rules on the offer of a big pay day.

    Fingers crossed LE catches the b@stard soon and he rots in a cell.
     
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  12. theShrike

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    In my view, MBBs disappearance gives us the best opportunity (out of the 4 GB4 cases) of narrowing down the killer’s residential location - based on the facts of the situation. It’s very late on a Sunday, she has an important court thing in CT on Monday, she’s been robbed, seems desperate and is making lots of calls. She says she needs to be picked up, then all of a sudden she has enough money to catch the Amtrak to New London. Wouldn’t she call again if those plans changed - if a John called and she had changed her mind and decided to stay to earn the money to escape eviction? (MBBs sister saw the call records and said this didn’t happen by the way). But of course she doesn’t, she just goes dark, like all of a sudden dark. So whatever happened likely happened fast without much preparation or planning on the part of MBB. Like someone offering her help or maybe asking her to turn a quick trick. What else makes sense in this scenario?? In any event, I would think this puts the killer in or quite close to the city. It just doesn’t seem likely that a Nasau or Suffolk County resident would be out trolling midtown Manhattan near midnight on a Sunday. I could always be wrong. Just putting it out there.
     
  13. Sallyla

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    My hunch on this (as always speculation) is this. We know from the calls to Melissa’s sister that LISK, pings and links to victims that is often in Manhattan. Maybe he works there or goes there for socialising or to pick up hookers.

    I see no reason why it would be unusual for a predatory prostitute killer to be hanging around in Manhattan late.

    We also know that he knows Long Island very well, had related many, many pings there off burners & victims phones. It seems likely he lived in LI & commuted to Manthattan. He murdered them some place of his own then dumped them on LI. It seems unlikely he’d take the risk of transporting them there from Manhattan, too long a journey, too many people about. She must have died on LI.

    Coincidences do happen. I suspect a previous John (LISK) spotted her in distress, listened to her situation and offered to help. As we know there was no call likely she met LISK face to face running into him by coincidence or seeking a John.

    I think with the situation he said, ‘Look, it’s late. I’ll buy you a ticket, you travel to my house. You spend all night turning a trick for me all night, I pay you and then you can travel the rest of the way home and take the money to court. Problem solved!’

    She’d have said yes, wouldn’t she? She had to. But she never made it out of his home.

    So a John she’d seen before & trusted.

    It’s also crossed my mind that LISK may have staged the robbery, paid someone else to do it or covered his face. If he was stalking his victims and finding out bits about their lives, relationships and problems, he could well have known MBB was in court the next day and in financial trouble. We know MBB was a stickler for rules and looking after her safety. If she was his mark and he really wanted to kill her. Well she’s desperate for cash, he makes sure she loses it and then he emerges as the white knight to solve her problems, of course she broke her rules.

    It’s all speculation though.
     
  14. hawkshaw

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    LI resident trolling Manhattan? A certain person was caught at least twice in Brooklyn in the company of hookers.
    I HAD HIS cell-phone tracked - when I could and had him in Manhattan at 2 different bars on 2 different occasions. Put him just over the border in Nassau at a Gay bar in Massapequa known as Blanche's.
     
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  15. 3Patriots

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    Depends what event was at the Garden that night...
     
  16. theShrike

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    If you read the old newspaper reports of the Mannorville discoveries you will come across locals saying things like “the perp isn’t from here,” “so many better places to hide a body,” and “he just left them right off the side of the road,” etc. SCPD did say in one of their many press conferences that the killer likely had a good knowledge of the area, but also caveated this by suggesting this might be historical in nature or whatever. Why would they say that? I guess the presumption is that by and large souther n LI residence (past or present) are the only ones who know Ocean Pkwy is dark at night?? Being from out of state, I certainly didn’t know that off hand. If you live anywhere in greater NYC/LI, however, all it would take would be one drive through.
    Please take a hard look at the map and the dump sites (for Mannorville & GB4) and then just do a basic canvas of LI. Why dump on Ocean Pkwy if Fire Island is more remote? If you’re a long time local and know the area why not use the Park preserves like Caumsett, Connetquat or Rocky Point? Why dump off the highway at Mannorville when the Barrens continues east for 10 miles, with another 10miles of thick forest/swamp in Sarnoff preserve, Maple Swamp & Birch Creek? Moving from the Pine Barrens down to Ocean Pkwy seems less about concealment and more about convenience.
    All this to say, many times I feel as though everyone is so focused on Oak Beach and all the conspiracies of the LI shore that we’re becoming blind to other facts and considerations.
     
  17. fashionella

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    Great questions and I think I know the answer. Because IMO the LISK is from the Hamptons. I have a suspect in mind and reported it but I won't say any more here. Without going into a long drawn out explanation to answer your question, I'll keep it short: the Manorville exit off the LIE is used a lot by people who live in the Hamptons, I know bc I used it for this. And the are where the bodies were dumped would be a dump spot for a person from the Hamptons. It's hard to explain unless you live here. It's certainly not a Manorville native for the reasons you noted.
     
  18. theShrike

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    So they’d take the Mannorville exit, then travel east on Mill and then south on HM road. That does seem the likely route as it lines up with easy right-side pull offs. But why leave JT in the open on that access road? He was either in a hurry or wanted her found. The site, by the way, is right next to a sump, which may be some sort of clue.
     
  19. Sallyla

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    But there weren’t better hiding places. This person had been dumping bodies in this rough area probably since 1997. And although some body parts had been found, nothing overly alarming. Many of the bodies had been there years without detection.

    If the Shannan incident hadn’t happened, they’d likely still be there or washed away by hurricane Sandy.

    It was the best hiding place.
     
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    Mack went missing in summer 2000. Headless body discovered in April 2001.
    JT went missing in early July 2003. Headless body discovered late July 2003.
    The GB4 are a different story. We still don’t know when exactly they were placed there. Quite possible they were moved there together in 2010, 3months before discovery. I will acknowledge though that MBB and Melissa were well concealed for quite a long time.
     

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