VT VT - 2 WhtChildren 1 WhtFem Adult, 9-11 13-15 35-45, off logging Rd, May'35

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  1. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Good to know. I wasn't sure what kind of historical data was on file for comparison. Guess science is waaaay a head of me, LOL
     


  2. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    If anyone comes across any of Dorothy's maternally related, living relatives, please let me know. Maybe we can get them to give a DNA sample to compare to this UID.
     
  3. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    Looks like she had a sister who had at least one daughter, so... You never know?
     
  4. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    I sent an email to NamUs, asking if Dorothy has been ruled out, and if not, how one would go about getting that done, given one case is active and the other isn't.
     
  5. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    I heard back from the NamUs rep, she said she passed this along to the VT investigators to see if they wanted to pursue it.
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    I think this case could be an easy solve with genetic genealogy. I doubt the suspect is alive but at least the family members could be named (assuming they are related) and have proper memorials. There is probably a family genealogist out there that doesn't know what happened to these three after 1930. They are probably listed in the 1930 census and then no where to be found come 1940. Most genealogists would take note of that and be frustrated at not finding them, but assume that they moved to an unknown location or were on an illegible page or perhaps their names were badly misspelled/transcribed incorrectly. I wouldn't think they were "missing persons" just from not finding any death records. But if DNA matched to a family tree that had a family matching these ages with no records for them found after about 1930 it would be obvious immediately. Perhaps Parbon or DNA Doe Project will pick this case up in the future?

    MOO.
     
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  7. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    I think that it's going to be nigh impossible, as two of the three bodies had insufficient DNA for profiling.
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    I realize they only have DNA from the adult female. If they were all related, then solving the woman's identity may reveal the children's names too. JMO.
     
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    Have they checked missing out of Canada?
     
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  11. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    @Coffee56 that was a great article, thanks.
     
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  12. LucyOso

    LucyOso Verified Registered Nurse

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    This is fascinating. The child’s dental work at $1000 would be the equivalent of $17k now. That type of work was not common, it was available but only to the wealthy and elite, typically European and East Coast US. I agree, this could be a mistress or migrant family. Perhaps she remarried, immigrated to the US with the new husband, he killed them and vanished with her money, inheritance, dowry. She could have been a WWI widower or left for a new life.
     
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  13. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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  14. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Kudos to those investigators. That was quite an undertaking back in the day to contact 4k patients.
     
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    Tabirey Music Addict

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    I wonder if @othram labs would have success with extracting DNA and building a tree for these three.
     
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  16. othram

    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    Has anyone been in touch with folks behind the investigation? Does anyone know the current investigator assigned to the case. Its a really old, but interesting case. Definitely worth a look.
     
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    Tabirey Music Addict

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    This is the info I found, I have not contacted.

    Namus numbers are UP13505, UP13506 and UP13507
    Contact info:
    Middlebury Police Department
    (802) 388-3191
    Agency Case Number15MB000503
    Kris Bowdish, Detective
     
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  18. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    In 2016, I submitted Dorothy Arnold to NamUs for a potential match to the adult set of unidentified remains. Since she didn't have an active missing person report, which is needed for NamUs to get involved, they wouldn't investigate it. However, the caseworker said she forwarded the information on to Vermont investigators to see if they thought it would be worth looking into, based on the circumstances. I never heard back from anyone about it, but unless they found a living female relative of Dorothy's for a DNA sample, there would be no way to compare them.
    After reading how expensive the dental work would have been back then, I think it would bear looking into, if they haven't already. Dorothy came from a very wealthy family & would have had high standards for something like that, and may have had access to money no one knew about.
     
  19. othram

    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    OK, we will see if we can reach out and see where things stand for this case.
     
  20. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    Thank you for reaching out on behalf on the old Does, both these and others! Good luck!
     

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