VT VT - Middlebury, 2WhtChildren(9-11/13-15)/1 WhtFem Adult(35-45), off logging Rd, May'35

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  1. Coffee56

    Coffee56 Well-Known Member

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    And 11 pages later and a refresh on Dorothy I think she just left and could very possibly be the 1935 Jane Doe. I think there was a phone call or a visit after she went “missing”. Could she have blackmailed her father to continue her source of funds for the next 20+ years. About a pregnancy coverup or filing false missing reports etc. I'm sure she had lots on the family. Those funds could have paid for the older child’s orthodontics. Were the funds running low in 1930-1935 and Daddy was done paying. I believe that’s Depression time. Further research into George, Dad an Mom Arnold, the business etc.
     


  2. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    This is an old article from 2015, but I can't see it being posted in the thread earlier. A lot of information here answers several questions previously asked in the thread, like the Does being kept an office for 80 years until they were finally buried in 2015; that their original case files were accidentally shredded in 1988; that most of the evidence and original crime scene photos were stolen and/or sold off, and so on.

    1935 murder victims buried; mystery persists
     
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  3. lonewanderer

    lonewanderer Well-Known Member

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    The timeline and location are a little off, but here it goes anyways:

    There was jerk of a man named Harry Powers, who up until his arrest in 1931, courted women all throughout the country (Massachusetts and Illinois confirmed victims) through a write-in card system called The Lonely Hearts Club. This system was basically like snail-mail, old school Tinder.

    Harry would find up to 20 new women a day, and would exchange letters with them. His MO was to use and alias and then court the women to marriage or serious romantic advancements. He would then kill the women and the women's children, having their belongings shipped to him under the guise that it was their new address or similar ruse.

    Anyways, it just made me think of him. A woman and two children dead in the early 1930s (its a stretch, as he was arrested in the summer of 1931) found dead with no real explanation. It's unlikely he was the culprit, but a history lesson about prowlers like him from the time period.

    Harry Powers - Wikipedia
     
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  4. Laughing

    Laughing Well-Known Member

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    Drawing of Angles' Ribbon identified as 1915 orthodontics:

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    Just picked this as a relatively clear image. Apparently the teenager had braces, in 1932!
     
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  5. annpats

    annpats Well-Known Member

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    Well, that to me says wealth and privilege!

    How many orthodontists were there in 1932..?! Not many, I bet!

    The ones that were about were probably only in New York City or Boston. A big north-eastern city with plenty of potentially wealthy clients.
     
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  6. rainwaterstill

    rainwaterstill Well-Known Member

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    Dorothy Arnold's father died in early April, 1922. He intentionally did not provide for her in his will, stating the reason was that he believed she was no longer living. Her mother died in December, 1928, a few days before the end of the year. Her mother, to the end of her life, remained hopeful that Dorothy was alive, somewhere.

    Disappearance of Dorothy Arnold - Wikipedia
     
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  7. Earth

    Earth Well-Known Member

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    If Dorothy Arnold was pregnant when she vanished, she might have been sent away by her parents. At the very least I believe her mother would have known about a possible pregnancy. A socialite being pregnant and unmarried would have been a scandal. The fact that the family did not report the disappearance immediately might have been because she was being kept at home and had started to show signs of being pregnant.

    I believe that Dorothy Arnold may have been alive for some years after she was last seen, but I am unsure if she is the Jane Doe in this case.
     
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  8. DS2021

    DS2021 Active Member

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    Can someone contact LE and ask for them to contact the dna doe project to see if they will take on the case
    If they can find jane doe's relatives then they'll also have found the other 2 does relatives
     
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    @othram , any interest in this one?

    Thanks!
     
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    UnlicensedPI Well-Known Member

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    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    The dentists expertise is a bit weird. He claims because the victims have perfect teeth, they must be "full blooded Jewish".
    Huh?
    Okay, its the 1930s, racist statements were not unheard of.. but it is still so weird. Does not make sense.
    Jews come in all shapes, sizes and colors and so do their teeth....
    Believe me, I know. I am Jewish.
     
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    UnlicensedPI Well-Known Member

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    I'm Jewish as well. This was a weird statement, and I saw other articles which stated they may have been Jewish based on the shape of their jaws. Some articles noted other dentists disagreed on their ethnicity. I'd love to see DNA done so we can at least answer that question!
     
  13. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    Right. Shape of jaw, lol, ridiculous...

    Id love to see DNA done. At least Ashkenazi Jewish heritage can be pretty accurately pinpointed by autosomal DNA. Is there any way they can be found and exhumed? At least the adult?
    And id also love to know whether the teen and child were boys or girls or one/one. Very contradictory statements in the sources.
     
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  14. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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  15. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    If they were only fairly recently buried, there is a good chance for location, exhmation and likely a successful dna extraction.
     
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    New York City, Boston, and Montreal.
     
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  17. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    Trying to sum up the old articles.

    LE seemed to have a suspect to the murder , living in Seattle. But they were unable to locate him.

    It was believed it is 2 girls but one is a boy.

    Tree roots embraced the bones, so LE decided on a PMI of 15-20 years.

    They had very expensive dental work, especially the braces of one child. The shape of the teeth and expensive dental work made one forensic dentist thinl they are Ashkenazi Jewish (which is a weird thing, there are no "Ashkenazi teeth"). And not all Jews are rich (I wish).

    There were no remains of clothing except pearl pajama buttons. Which also points to a long PMI.
     

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