WA WA - D.B. Cooper hijacking mystery, 24 Nov 1971 - #2

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  1. chicoliving

    chicoliving Former Member

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  2. Old Dominion

    Old Dominion New Member

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    I'd just like to know how an Federal agent with a job to do and didn't even do due diligence was conned? Let me rephrase that, an FBI agent who didn't do
    ANYTHING?

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  3. j2mirish

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    Thats what I am saying too--- how do you get conned when you do no digging?
     
  4. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

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    My question is this:

    Did they really just have one agent leading this whole investigation?

    I find it so amazing/hard to believe that no one else said, "Hey, do you think we could have been off on the description? Do you think it's possible Mayfield could be our guy? Do you think we should look at him one more time just to rule him out?"

    And that H-back would have the weight to say no without it coming back to bite him in the butt.

    Really???

    Who else worked on this?
     
  5. leftcoast

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    You hit the nail on the head.

    Where were his supervisers? Why couldn't another agent go over H=bach and say, hey, I think H-bach is overlooking an obvious candidate?

    Yes, it is true that there was only one agent assigned to this case.

    When the crime first happened, every agent in Portland helped the first few days. Eventually, after about one month, h-bach was the only agent still assigned to the case.

    H-bach was never, ever, rotated off this case. No cold case squad. Nothing.

    In my mind, another huge error by the FBI, was when H-bach retired.

    After h=bach retired, a new agent was assigned to this case. So, the FBI did not just want this case to go away.

    The new agents, were also very, very lazy.

    When a tip would come in. The new agent, this is after 1980, would simply call H-bach at home, give H-bach the tip, and H-bach would say,"we already looked at him, don't waste your time" (anybody want to take a guess and see if h-bach was paid as a "consultant" by the FBI in addition to his pension.)

    the new agent, never, ever, did start from the beginning.

    the new agent would simply investigate new leads, but, only "brand new names", not names which had already been called in.

    That is a huge, huge, flaw.

    Also, don't forget. The Seattle office also had an agent in charge of the investigation in Seattle. So, h-bach could have thought the Seattle office blew it, Cooper was dead, or other things.

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  6. leftcoast

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    But he did. Once he got a tip about a logger, who retired at 45, and started a new business. the guy had no criminal record, no skydiving experience, wasn't a pilot, etc.

    But, H-bach did do his job. He asked the guy where he was that night. the guy had an alibi, h-bach checked it out, and eliminated him

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  7. j2mirish

    j2mirish Former Member

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    I meant digging on YOUR guy !!
     
  8. leftcoast

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    This case was solved by us in 2001. But, we still have people who are not convinced.

    I have one lady who used to date Ted, who "insists" he is not capable of such an act. Is he capable of armed robbery? then, he is capable of hijacking a jet.

    Another man told me that he "never knew Ted to smoke". Well, I guess we should eliminate Ted.

    Another told me Ted is too short. I guess we should eliminate him.

    another told me "he is too obvious".

    And people wonder why this case has made me crazy.

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  9. leftcoast

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    does make you wonder.

    Is this stupidity, tunnel vision, or worse.

    Heck, Ted even assisted the FBI with the investigation.

    HE was nice enough to let the FBI look through his records, and h-bach would even call Ted and ask him about certain suspects, and TEd would identify the suspects.

    One guy Ted helped identify was in jail. Gee, I wonder how he knew him?

    And people wonder why Ted never fled. He knew within two hours after the crime that he probably had gotten away with the crime. He had no idea that 35 years later, people would still be looking for him. That is why he might have placed that money on the bank of the Columbia, hoping the fBI would think Cooper drowned, and the case would be closed. It's either that, or the money was hidden that night, on the way home, and the three packets settled into the sand, and he couldn't find them when he returned. Don't forget, he never did count the money on the plane. He could have assumed that the fbi shorted him.

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  10. j2mirish

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    and I wonder why h-bach felt so comfortable asking for his help???
    I dont know lc........I think h-bach & teddy might be much better friends than ever thought---:D
     
  11. leftcoast

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    We have not ruled anything out in this case.

    We have considered all scenarios from the beginning.

    We know we have Cooper, but, is that the entire story?

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  12. j2mirish

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    maybe not........perhaps just chapter one ! :crazy:
     
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    Yep.

    One thing I have learned from solving this case, is that when you are unsure, write down points for both sides of the argument

    for example, play devil's advocate.

    If you think someone is guilty, write down the possible reasons why they may be innocent. And vice versa.

    However, there are times when someone will look guilty, and is simply not.

    And there are times when someone looks innocent, and is guilty.

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    Did anyone ever find the IE segment online?
     
  15. leftcoast

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    JOdi

    I checked with IE, it is not on the web right now. I requested them putting it up, but I can't guarantee it.

    I have an associate in media, and I will ask that person to post it to youtube, or a seperate file. I just don't know when this person will be able to do it.

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    This is a basic questions that has already been addressed, but what is Mayfield's alibi for that night? Just the phone call?

    Also, was a picture of Mayfiled from 1971 shown to the witnesses?
     
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    Just the phone call at 10pm

    the FBI never did show a picture of Mayfield to the flight attendants.

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  18. j2mirish

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    isnt that fbi 101 or something???? :doh: :doh: :doh:

    lc, what has teddy told you & your partner he was doing that night, or was it not asked of him?
     
  19. leftcoast

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    Yes, it is FBI 101. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

    We didn't have to ask Teddy.

    First time we told Teddy we were writing a book about DB Cooper, he immediately went into his alibi.

    Teddy's story is that the FBI called him 4 times while the hijacker was on the jet.

    The first time was looking for chutes and his expertise. Tedd claims he told the FBI to call EC.

    Then, Teddy tells the FBI, "well, I'm going out to dinner with my girlfriend, here's her number if you need to speak to me"

    Then, supposedly, according to Teddy, the FBI called him back 3 more times. ASking him "If a person could possibly leapt from the rear of a 727 safely. Teddy told them, if he can get the stairs down, then you bet."

    A very, very hard story to believe.

    First, the FBI says this never happened.

    Second, why didn't the fBI ask Teddy to deliver the chutes to the Portland airport as a precaution, just in case EC wasn't home. How did Teddy know EC would be available the night before Thanksgiving. Why would the FBI first call a rigger in Portland, when the chutes were needed in Seattle, some 150 miles away.

    Third, if Teddy didn't help with the chutes, why in the heck would the FBI ask him for skydiving advice. In Seattle, they had EC, Ft.Lewis, and McChord, filled with specialists.

    Fourth, the hijacker threatens to kill 42 people, and Teddy decides to go out to dinner? Please. And we are suppose to believe he helped in the search for Cooper. NOt consistent.

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  20. j2mirish

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    uhmmm....didnt COOPER have a bit of trouble with this himself, or question how to do it??
     
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