Discussion in 'Lyle Stevik' started by KateB, May 23, 2015.
Thank you dotr
Internet sleuths, DNA link John Doe to Northern New Mexico
A mysterious suicide at a Washington state hotel.
An army of internet sleuths, working to identify the unknown man.
And now, a possible connection to New Mexico.
The mystery of a man known only as Lyle Stevik believed to be an alias started in September of 2001, when authorities in Grays Harbor County, Wash., responded to an emergency call from the Lake Quinault Inn in the tiny town of Amanda Park.
Police found a hotel guest dead inside his room.
Investigators quickly ruled the mans death a suicide, said Lane Youmans, the former detective on the case for the Grays Harbor County Sheriffs Department. But they didnt get much further than that.
The part that has stuck with me, is that weve never been able to identify this gentleman, Youmans told The New Mexican last week.
But just last month, volunteer investigators made a discovery that could prove invaluable. Using Steviks DNA, volunteers from a nonprofit called the DNA Doe Project are trying to track down Steviks potential family members.
Theyve found a cluster of potential matches in Northern New Mexico.
Actually the best way now is to do a commercial DNA test and upload raw data to GEDmatch. They no longer compare individual test kits, you are automatically compared if you’re in GEDmatch. CODIS is a very crude tool in comparison. I am now in there, and I found out quickly that I am not a match to Lyle, not that I expected to be....
Thanks for the great link!
But what's really interesting in this article is that Margaret Press and Colleen say: 'His closest matches so far show up clustered in Northern New Mexico, with some in Idaho'
Am I mistaken or did they not tell us that he has a genetic link to Idaho? Because I don't remember that info coming from DNA Doe Project through the facebook page although of course we all remember that Lyle put a Meridian, Idaho hotel as his address... very fascinating, I thought he only had matches in New Mexico...
I agree with someone down below your comment, the best thing you can do is quickly get an Ancestry DNA or 23andme kit and then upload your results to GEDMatch
I agree Magnum P. I., and leilarose, I discovered this to be true too.
I ordered a kit from ancestry DNA last night after talking to Margaret and Colleen yesterday. They are very helpful and prompt ladies!
I have not heard back from the detective assigned to Lyle's case yet, but my local le stated that their process takes time to collect my DNA via law enforcement, so I decided to simply order the kit to expedite the process
The Idaho connection and the Northern New Mexico connection were both stated previously leilarose.
All of the previous recent clues ( Genizaro, Northern New Mexico, Idaho, racial mix) prompted me to seriously consider a relationship to Lyle.
My maternal grandmother relocated from Northern New Mexico and raised her brood in another nearby state. Her ancestors lived in Northern New Mexico for centuries before that.
Her sister relocated to Idaho to raise her family. ( I too relocated to raise my own family). I had not seen these relatives since I was a teen but saw them again recently at my grandmothers funeral. One of those family members and I shared an interest in geneology. She has already submitted her DNA to ancestry DNA and worked on our pedigree for years I learned.
Putting all of the stated clues about Lyle against our family template and circumstances, combined with photographic similarities made me say wow!!
Nice compilation of information cybervampira and dotr!
If I remember correctly, they (LE, I think) have had several people contact them believing this may be their relative. So it may take time to get through all the contacts.
I can see that as very possible with the newly released info and the interest this case has garnered Spellbound. I can't wait to receive my DNA kit for so many reasons so I am glad I took this step proactively to make the process easier for them as well as for me and certainly for Lyle so as many helping hands can be freed up to work as many angles as possible to solve his mystery and bring him home.
Taltos, I think you're thinking of the fact that Lyle wrote a meridian Idaho hotel as his address, DNA Doe Project didn't mention Idaho relatives at all in their latest posts or comments, just Northern New Mexico, I just double checked. So the aforementioned article is the first time they're publicly confirming a legit genetic link between Lyle and Idaho, which is what I'm excited about.
I hope you find some answers about your relationship to Lyle soon! GEDMatch is so cool.
For those who aren't familiar with genizaros, a superficial introduction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genízaro
Some genizaros were sheep herders and came north to Idaho and western Montana in the early 1900s, so an Idaho connection for Lyle's family wouldn't be surprising.
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Bumping. More info on possible genizaros link.
Wondering if any of the schools in Idaho studied the book You Must Remember This (1987)
Unfortunately, DNA Doe project is their best option. LE and NamUs really can't do anything as no one knows if her brother is actually missing.
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I know exactly how you feel as I found out when I was 30 that I had an older 1/2 brother that was given up for adoption. I was going thru the drawer she had photos in, found a photo that looked like me but I knew wasn't me. I then found his baby bracelet and a small receipt, which looked like it came from a rent receipt book.
My mother was new to the country, found herself pregnant. She ended up signing her rights away with Catholic Charities before giving birth; but ended up changing her mind. She brought him home, had him Christened. Eventually Catholic Charities knocked on the door wanting my brother. Since she was an immigrant that didn't speak much English she did what she was told because they had her signature on a contract.
Back then (23 years ago) there weren't many places to register. I did ISSR (International Soundex Reunion Registry) which didn't do anything. Eventually I found the registry at adoption.com and the reunion registry; registered at all of them. The registry at adoption.com had a lot of changes, at one time my registration got messed up. Some how I was registered for the forums but nopt their database so I did it again. I was always looking for him using DOB, male and state, eventually I searched using DOB and male; up he popped! His mistake of filling out the state wrong cost us a few years. Let me know if you want any tips because I learned a lot. What state was your brother adopted in? Some states allow birth family to request records while others will allow you to put your name on their registry. It depends on the state.
DNA is your best option to try to find your brother. Birth family and adopted people are finding each other Check out the show Long Lost Family, that will give you an idea of what to do. When you get your results back from Ancestry, see my thread Has anyone done their DNA for genealogy which is also posted on City-data Family tree and DNA general instructions. I tell how to upload your results to My Heritage, GEDmatch and GEDmatch Genesis for free family matching and ethnicity and FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) for free family matching. DNA Doe Project is using GEDmatch and GEDmatch Genesis. Genesis is their newer site that accepts 23 and me's new chip as well as raw data from other, smaller sites. I have the list of sites in my threads.
Ooh this is amazing news on the dna front. Hopefully it brings answers
Thank you Roselvr for this post....Hopefully somebody can learn from this...getting closer....
This entire saga has me on the edge of my seat! From the very first post through today...how long has it been! I think we're getting close thanks to the hard work being done! My thanks to everyone.
thank you for the support leilarose
Reddit had an Idaho mention when Lyle's DNA was first sequenced. It was hypothesized up thread that there was an actual Stevik family living in Idaho in the late 50s too and a question about that as Lyles family was posited. I have been aware of the address in Meridian for a decade now, so that is not why I thought that
This is the exact scenario for my family carbuff.
My great grandfather that strongly resembles Lyle was a sheep herder that migrated all over the western US with his flock in the 1930's.
His daughter that was my grandmother stayed in Utah to raise her family.
One of his other daughters stayed in Idaho
Some remain in northern NM
i am am not the only person with this background I'm sure but how uncanny in this case..