WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #5

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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  3. SMK

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    Here I am on #5. Seems we have run out of ideas, but I am having an awful time letting go of both Shantina and Azriel, as irrational as it would seem. Well, I wonder where this thread will take us....if anywhere......:(:Banane37:
    By the way, I am a producer on Now Public Media, which is how I became so caught up in this case. These were my 3 stories I posted, and then, I came here, because I wanted to know what happened, in depth...




    http://my.nowpublic.com/world/no-clues-case-missing-shantina-smiley-and-8-year-old-son

    http://my.nowpublic.com/world/autopsy-confirms-body-azriel-carver-cause-death-drowning

    http://my.nowpublic.com/world/autopsy-boy-drowned-history-cps-neglect-and-abuse-probes
     
  4. BeanE

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    I went back through all the surveillance videos looking at SS for anything that might be a sign of illness or injury or a brain event, but I really didn't see anything. The videos were kind of jerky in movement, rather they made the people look jerky in movement so it wasn't very clear.
     
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    Yes, I noticed that too: Very choppy and lurching videos. Not easy to tell the actual movement.
     
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    When I do look at the clearer ones, she honestly does not look impaired to me, not in any obvious way. A stumbling, slurring person would be noticed more, and the police called, I assume, if it had been blatant and really obvious...
    although she does hit the curb...
    Do not know why I am stuck on her and her son in these tapes, as if watching them will change the outcome....Obsessive, much?
    :crazy:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4114833/new-clue-in-search-for-missing-mom/?playlist_id=87249
     
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    (supposedly) Azriel said his mommy hit her head. I don't know why that was dismissed out of hand. And there are so many other reasons why she could have acted the way she did. Someone mentioned migraines earlier; I hadn't considered that, but that was a good point too.
     
  8. Nancee Drue

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    Rumor is that SS is a smart woman. Could SS possibly have planned a scheme, to get away, from what ever it might be, she wanted freedom from? Or, could it possibly be, that she trusted someone, to help her and her son, from the van, in the water? And, that person kidnapped them?

    It's just my feeling that SS is alive. I am not sure where, though.
     
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    Again, IMO, if she wanted to "get away", she would not have made herself so visible, making all those stops asking for directions to a freeway that was practically within walking distance from where she was asking. I have never heard of someone calling such attention to their actions, wandering for hours in one location while they are running away

    If someone wants to disappear/get away from it all, it is quite easy...you just quietly go without telling anyone...you just go. Either take your child(ren) with you or leave them with someone.

    I do not believe Shantina was a monster and killed her child to start a new life. I do believe that whatever happened that night was not a planned event. Just an extremely sad and tragic event. Also, IMO, she is in the water.
     
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    Perhaps, she made herself noticeable, so it would seem she was having a possible problem, and people might think she drowned??? Then, she could disappear?

    Or, perhaps, she was just kidnapped? Maybe a kidnapper harmed SS's son, and is holding SS captive?

    The easiest, end of story conclusion is, that SS drowned. I won't believe unless her body is found.
     
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    Where can I find detailed info about the multiple CPS reports, especially ones filed btwn 04-06? I know in some of the previous threads there has been much referanced to these reports and discussion tho I havent, myself, seen any of the reports of excerpts from them If anyone knows where I could locate such info would post a link or even just point me in the correct direction? TIA!!!
     
  12. Jani

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    I'm not really thinking kidnapped, but maybe harmed by a third party, the result being drowning.

    And you are correct about drowning being the easiest conclusion, most often the easiest conclusion is the correct one, Occam's razor and all.

    Sadly if you are waiting for her body, you may never believe. Her body may never be found as it could stay hung up on something underwater, wash up on a remote beach never to be discovered or go all the way into the ocean,.
     
  13. Nancee Drue

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    I wonder why there is/was a memorial service for SS? :waitasec: It's not a fact she is deceased. This is a very sad situation.
     
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    I wasn't aware that this has/had been done for SS? If this is so really makes me think that LE has shared some pretty valid and conclusive evidence to the family that we, the public are not privvy to. I just dont think a family would be so easy and swift to do so unless they were given something very concrete to have them that sure enough to hold a memorial for SS?
     
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    RS stated on FB: (I didn't quote him..I reworded his statement)
    A memorial service for Shantina is planned and will be held at Brinnon Community Church, on April 17th, at 1pm.
     
  16. SMK

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    Yes, I also agree that the easiest explanation is that she parked to avoid a DUI, and she and her son slept, were surprised by the fierce high tide, and swept away. He washed ashore, she has not so far. Yet I also believe that until it is 100% proven, by finding her body in the water, there is still a chance that she met with foul play ( and her child may have been left in the van, and was swept away by high tide). I do not think she planned this, and I do not believe she is alive. But I DO believe there MAY be more to this story than meets the eye.
     
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    This is a point. But it still does not mean that there is no possibility she met with foul play. Yes, it made me sad to read they were holding a service for her, and I did find it a bit odd as she had not been found.:waitasec:
     
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    In the most recent article that had the update from LE, didn't they say they thought SS and Azriel abandoned the van? Doesn't mean they didn't sleep and then abandoned the van, but IIRC what the article said, in combination with no scent on the beach, I'd been thinking they got out of the van, at higher tide, and were pretty quickly swept away.

    Also, unrelated to that, I've somehow developed some affection for SS. She seems like a lovely woman who loved her little boy. I'm having a hard time reconciling that with a woman so irresponsible and uncaring that she'd drink and put her little boy in danger. So, I'm not going to assume that she was badly intoxicated and that's the sole reason for what happened.

    I think we have reasonable indications that she may have had a brain event of some sort, and IMO we have no reasonable indications that she consumed more than a half jug of wine. And whereas I'm no expert on it, I don't think a half jug of wine would cause all the symptoms she had.

    I believe she either drank more that we don't know about or took pills we don't know about or both, -or- she drank the wine *and* had a brain event of some sort.

    Some time today I'm going to go back and collect my brain event symptoms and bring them forward.

    Sorry to keep bringing it up, but I do think it's a logical, reasonable, simple explanation of what happened, with reasonable supporting evidence/indications.
     
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    Yes, I would like to see your brain symptoms list. I, too, have developed affection for SS, and think she met an unfair fate. I suppose my thinking of a third party and foul play was my attempt to "clear" her, somehow.
     
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    Also: Her "brain event" may have been the result of anti-anxiety meds, and then worsened with wine on top of that.
     
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    I looked up Carlo Rossi wine.

    It's available in 1.5L, 3.0L and 4.0L bottles.

    We need to pin down the 'average' effects of drinking that amount.

    I think different types of wine (red, white) might have different effects. The wine she bought appeared to be white. The whites that Carlo Rossi sells are: Chablis, Chardonnay, and Rhine.

    http://www.carlorossi.com/the-wines/TheWines.html

    Once we get the expected effects we can compare them against the symptoms she displayed, and against symptoms of concussion, stroke, etc.

    ETA: I believe it's actually the 1.5L she bought. So she would have consumed half that, or .75L.
     
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