WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #7

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    WS is a victim friendly forum. That means we do not sleuth family or friends of a victim until LE or main stream media give us a reason too. We treat family and friends with respect and sensitivity.

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  3. elf69

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    I am curious as to why threads get closed down and new ones opened? I am still a newbie, so I really don't know. :)
     
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    RubyRed "Keep on Truckin"

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    As far as I know when they get to many pages it takes to long to reload.
     
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    Just an FYI...I went into my profile and edited it NOT to see signatures...the pages load so much more quickly now.
     
  6. LCoastMom

    LCoastMom JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE MARIE - STILL WAITING

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    In response to your comment about going home for her cell phone, you are right on the mark. Had she left from the HP and driven home then gotten back on the road, she would have been to CR by 11PM.

    If she just wanted to waste time until 11 pm they could have hung out at the mall til it closed - then gone to a McD's or any pizza place. Or they could have gone to a movie. (Who cares if it the last $20.00 they have or if they use a credit card they can't afford - if they are not going to be around to pay the bill - if money was a concern) KWIM?

    Olympia according to the state home page is 16 sq miles. Early on I tried Google driving to retrace where she may have been or gone - being completely unfamiliar with Olympia I ended up back to the freeway twice (out of 4 "trips") while going the wrong way from one stop to the next - there is no way someone thinking clearly could be lost in Olympia for 4 hours. :cow:
     
  7. slowpoke

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    Tomorrow it will be 5 weeks since the Saturday SS drove with her son to the Olympia area and disappeared.

    Tomorrow also is the day they will be holding a memorial service for her in Brinnon.

    Thinking of her and her loved ones with feelings of sadness, caring and hope.
     
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    Woodard was looking forward to Smiley's arrival with her son, Azriel Carver, around 7:30 or 8 p.m. Saturday evening. They were going to spend the night at her house and get more thoroughly re-acquainted after a few years of being out of touch while they lived in different parts of the country.

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    Kat and Robb are cute to see together, great parents, good people," Tonovitz wrote.

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    Woodard described her younger stepsister as smart, nice and happy. "She likes to do family things and outdoor type things just like anybody in Washington state," Woodard said. "There's nothing out of the ordinary about her." She said Simmons also seems like a really nice guy and that they seem to get along well.

    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-031410-missingmomandson,0,6651388.story?page=2
     
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    I received this email because I am on the email distribution list for Scouting in the Orca District. I have omitted the email address and name of sender:

    Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:43 PM
    Subject: Memorial Service

    District Committee,

    This is just a quick reminder that the Memorial Service for Shantina “Kat” Smiley and Azriel Carver is tomorrow, April 17th, at the below location:

    1 pm

    Brinnon Community Church
    52 Church Road
    Brinnon, WA 98320

    (360) 796-4462

    XXXXX requests that you please wear your scouting uniform. At the service the District and Council will be presenting the Spirit of the Eagle award for Azriel. Pack 4544 will be presenting the Wolf badge in memory of Azriel on behalf of the Pack.

    This is an important way that we can show support and honor a member of our Scouting Family.
     
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    Spirit of the Eagle award:

    The untimely death of a promising, exemplary young person represents a tragic, sorrowful occurrence for any family and community. For that reason the Boy Scouts of America created the Spirit of the Eagle Award. This award is an honorary, posthumous recognition for a registered BSA youth member who has lost his or her life in an accident or through illness. Bestowed by the National Court of Honor as part of the celebration of the young person's life, the award recognizes the joy, happiness, and life-fulfilling experience Scouting made in that life, while also helping to heal and comfort the youth member's family, loved ones, and friends with the loss.

    http://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/award/award-1615.asp
     
  13. slowpoke

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    Jules71:

    That will be a nice tribute for them to all be in uniform.

    I guess the Scouts don't have a recognition award for volunteer Leaders like SS? I didn't realize the memorial was for her son, too. Although, she was so involved with her son's life and they were last together before he died, so I guess it makes sense.

    Jules71, thanks for sharing that email with us.

    Excuse my ignorance, but is this District a large one, or is there any chance you know anyone who may be attending the memorial?
     
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    How close to where she was that night? Any idea?
     
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    No idea. but last login was March 15.
     
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    Hi slowpoke,
    Yes, it is large. The Orca district consists of around 22 boy scout troops and probably the same number of cub scout packs. I have a son the same age, grade in school, and rank in cub scouts as Az - but we are not in the same pack. I know in just our cub scout pack we have 5 dens consisting of at least 10 boys in each, plus the den leaders, and other officials. I'm sure I would know some of the people attending.

    I agree with you, wearing the uniform is a nice tribute. I wish I knew if there was any kind of recognition award for volunteer Leaders like SS. I was thinking that also.

    I have not seen anything in the media indicating Az would also be included in this service - the only knowledge I have of that is from the email I received.
     
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    Very sad, but a nice tribute for them. Thanks for posting this. I hope Shantina can be found and laid to rest.:(
     
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    In a phone interview, Jay Carver said there is an uninhabited island either across from or near where the van was found. He indicated he was going to try to do a search there, but I never heard if he actually did (or if anyone did). I believe it was either in his radio interview or the one with Shep on Fox. It wasn't long before Azriel's body was found, so I don't know what came of that.

    She was friends with Shantina on myspace as early as January '08. It's a shame they didn't get together sooner.

    http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=243140172
     
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    That is a good question, about Jay conducting a search of that island. But I imagine it must be costly, and perhaps he was unable to find the means to do it....Unless they had ruled out that island from the air search....
     
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