Funny you mention this. Did anyone else notice how messy the hotel room was? You would think a woman with severe OCD that obsesses over cleaning would make sure the room was nice and tidy.
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Funny you mention this. Did anyone else notice how messy the hotel room was? You would think a woman with severe OCD that obsesses over cleaning would make sure the room was nice and tidy.
The problem with the "kind people" who hold children illegally is that they must take the word from one perspective or side of a situation.
Not to seem mean about it, but I don't for a single MINUTE believe these "kind people" sit down in counseling and mediation with all the adults involved and listen to impartial third party professionals before making their decision that these children's best interests are best served by depriving them of their families for life.
These kind people have a general conviction that people should obey the laws, well, except when it is they themselves
that do not want to. I find that hypocritical and self-righteous, no matter how well meaning they may say they are.
I also feel that if they sat down with all parties involved and looked at ALL the factors and evidence, they would often see a different picture than the one they bought into. But many would not willingly do this because it interferes with their CHOSEN view of reality and they would have to give up their own CONTROL over the situation. I believe they gain personal egotistical satisfaction from maintaining that self righteous control.
Not to seem mean about it, but I don't for a single MINUTE believe these "kind people" sit down in counseling and mediation with all the adults involved and listen to impartial third party professionals before making their decision that these children's best interests are best served by depriving them of their families for life.
These kind people have a general conviction that people should obey the laws, well, except when it is they themselves
that do not want to. I find that hypocritical and self-righteous, no matter how well meaning they may say they are.
I also feel that if they sat down with all parties involved and looked at ALL the factors and evidence, they would often see a different picture than the one they bought into. But many would not willingly do this because it interferes with their CHOSEN view of reality and they would have to give up their own CONTROL over the situation. I believe they gain personal egotistical satisfaction from maintaining that self righteous control.
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I'm pretty sure the father's filing said that she had made reference to wanting to kill herself. That will get you a 72 hour hold. It then said that after the mandatory hold expired she stayed longer, voluntarily, to get more treatment.
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I had severe anxiety for much of my life. Totally controlled now without medication! Anyhow, I also had bizarre thoughts, but usually of doing myself harm - like driving into oncoming traffic or jumping off a cliff or bridge. I call it "what if thinking" or "automatic thoughts". It made me think I had schizophrenia or something. It's just a product of all the adrenaline constantly racing through a person's body, trying to find a reason for the fear.
Keep looking. I see people who think there is nothing telling about the flikr account but many like me found there to be many more of the daughter, or many more closely focused on her, during the period after Sky was born. It really stood out to me. I notice no photos of a birthday party for him either but a few for the daughter.
I got a strange feeling from the photos. And it's not the older kid versus younger kid thing or one kid hamming it up for the camera thing either. There are hundreds of very mundane photos of the girl, frame after frame, like the mom was just repeatedly clicking, one photo after another, to capture every moment of her daughter. There are some beautiful photos of Sky but the focus, the intensity is not the same to me at all. :twocents:
Yess, the "what ifs?". I've been plagued by them for so many years. Congrats on controlling your anxiety! It's such a struggle, really is.
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Little Joshua Davis' last pic was taken on the same day he "disappeared".
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No, I agree she absolutely favors her daughter. I can give you my initial thoughts on it. Maybe some things I can think over or dig into. Its possible like I said earlier she bonded with her daughter after birth and perhaps her son was born in the midst of her OCD or she had PPD and was not bonded with her son.OR...perhaps mom was sexually abused as a child. Sometimes this triggers OCD...feeling unclean. It would perhaps also explain why she is not bonded with the boy. If in her mind her son symbolizes her husband or an abuser that is also a possibility.
I DID notice in several photos her so has slobber soaked shirts and never a hair our of place for daughter.
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I posted that very thing! Yup, happened to me.
BINGO.
I don't think that's what caused a 72 hour hold. Court personnel take those filings and what is in them with a grain of salt. They aren't going to call the police if one parent accuses the other of suicidal or homicidal ideation. Instead, they will question the other parent and/or ask for a custody investigation to determine what is happening. The evaluator can make such a call, however, if there investigation determines there is validity to such accusations.
Since Julia apparently has been hospitalized more than once, I'm guessing it did not have to do with accusations he made in a court filing. Something was wrong here.
The bottom line is, yes, people in divorces make crazy accusations all the time. I see it every day. Much of it is baloney. Sometimes, it's not. But Sky is missing under very strange circumstances and went missing while in mom's care, not dad's, after she admitted to driving out of her way to a hospital because he was sick, but not to one closer to her, driving in a direction that was not directly to that hospital, then leaving him in the car unattended, with unlocked doors, and taking her daughter with her, for an hour or so. Maybe dad was right. Maybe mom is crazy and she hurt Sky. Like I said, sometimes the accusations are true. Sadly, I have seen many crazy women accuse the father of abuse when there was none, in my practice.
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AH! Thank you! My daughter was wondering why the room was in disarray if she were so OCD. I also believe Sky was in the pool (hot tub?) with pjs on... which would be odd for someone with OCD... especially about clothing as her husband claims.
Gonna have to find where I read this. Gonna have to be tomorrow.
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Dont know if this has been discussed.
In the mom's Facebook, already talked about in MSM, her daughter was taken to the dr's, for the 1st time ever, at around 2 years of age. Now, she took her to a Homeopathic Doctor's office based on the extremely detailed pics of that visit.
Why would the Mom take Sky to a hospital if she believes in Homeopathy? Doesn't add up.
In the mom's Facebook, already talked about in MSM, her daughter was taken to the dr's, for the 1st time ever, at around 2 years of age. Now, she took her to a Homeopathic Doctor's office based on the extremely detailed pics of that visit.
Why would the Mom take Sky to a hospital if she believes in Homeopathy? Doesn't add up.
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The only way to know is if someone is friends with her... or the LE. If you check under her profile pic, it'll actually date when it was uploaded.
Unfortunately there are a lot of things that exist, that shouldn't (or should they for the sake of some of those children...). Child slavery also still exists right here in the good ol' U.S..
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That was my very first thought. Children who are just ill go to a doctor. We dont take our kids to the ER for a cold. Its not like he was being seen by a specialist in the hospital.
The little boy looks a lot like his father, while the daughter-not so much. Sounds like her relationship with the father went sour about the time the boy was born, and with him resembling the father so much, I wonder how she felt toward the boy.
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Just bouncing off your post here... In the 2nd audio recording on the previous thread, the mother keeps chastising the father for keeping the kids from her for something like 7 months, right? That's a long time. There must be something there for him to be able to do that. (I'm assuming he did it legally or there would be something about it in the court records, etc., if it had been illegally done, but I could be wrong about that.)
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This^^^ Totally for me. I don't see anything strange about the number of pictures, but it is the way that they were taken. Sky is in the corner or not really the center of lots of them, but they are just so scattered. M is totally different, like every second. This really stood out in the folder on fb about going to the doctor for the first time. Just clicking the album and it opening up with every movement of the child in the car seat. Just gave me a weird vibe. Don't know what it is, but felt strange.
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Could be why she was able to keep him away for almost a year. Total speculation. Just saying, I am surprised that she could keep him away that long. I don't know how they do it there in WA, but in VA they have this "fatherhood initiative" going on now and you just cannot keep a father from his children. Period. Even if they are a violent RSO who harmed the child to earn that title: they still get at the very least supervised visitation. It sucks, but it is what it is here and there is no question, so I wonder how she kept him off that long. There was a court order in place at some point that allowed him visitation. What happened to end that?
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I'm going to give you three cases where mentally unstable women falsely accused dads. In one, we had a client who said the girlfriend got a restraining order against him in criminal and civil court. My law partner handled both since there was a criminal case.
Her accusations, including being injured when he whipped her with a t.v. antenna, were grave enough that he was arrested and charged. My law partner put her on the stand in the civil case and proceeded with the case. The judge was surprised because when criminal charges are pending, civil cases are usually delayed because the accused cannot testify. But my law partner said he could do the case without the client testifying.
He got her on the stand and went over her medical records. Hospitalized repeatedly after accusing neighbors of assault, of accusing the mailman of hurting her, accusing a syndicate of causing injuries when they implanted microchips in her, etc., etc. Her story crumbled on the stand. She was not telling the truth, (although maybe she thought she was).
In another case, my client called saying his girlfriend got a temporary restraining order against him that prevented him from seeing the kids. He was scared and freaked out. She said he threatened to kill her, and hurt her. He said she was the violent one and often hit him but he never laid a hand on her. I researched her. She had obtained dv restraining orders against four other guys she went out with in the past. Very similar allegations each time. She won restraining orders each time. The court believed her.
In another case, my client's ex was completely mentally ill with bi-polar disorder, borderline, histrionic anti-social and narcissistic personality disorders. But we could not prove that at first. She went to the kid's school on a day he was supposed to pick her up, in the middle of tense litigation. She went up to his car, clawed his face and then when the police were called, said it happened when he was slamming the car door repeatedly on her and she was trying to get him to stop. The child witnessed everything and told the truth. After over two years of intensive litigation, and investigation, including me tracking down old co-workers, bosses, roommates and neighbors, and hiring a PI to track her who witnessed her slamming 18 drinks in a short period and acting like a little girl and otherwise bizarre out in public, my client has sole custody and mom only has supervised visitation. That poor kid went through so much with the mom and dad never knew until the end. By the way, she was not arrested when she clawed my client's face. But he almost was, despite no marks on her.
I can give you more cases, but those are three. It happens all the time. And when the accused is a middle eastern-looking foreigner from a culture that is known to treat women like property, and mom is a sweet looking blond lady who loves organics and church, who is more likely to be believed by the system?
Again, I'm not saying he wasn't abusive, I don't know. But Sky went missing in her care and her adored daughter did not. She surely knew that would mean she'd eventually lose custody of the daughter, probably to the dad. Where is Sky?
Her accusations, including being injured when he whipped her with a t.v. antenna, were grave enough that he was arrested and charged. My law partner put her on the stand in the civil case and proceeded with the case. The judge was surprised because when criminal charges are pending, civil cases are usually delayed because the accused cannot testify. But my law partner said he could do the case without the client testifying.
He got her on the stand and went over her medical records. Hospitalized repeatedly after accusing neighbors of assault, of accusing the mailman of hurting her, accusing a syndicate of causing injuries when they implanted microchips in her, etc., etc. Her story crumbled on the stand. She was not telling the truth, (although maybe she thought she was).
In another case, my client called saying his girlfriend got a temporary restraining order against him that prevented him from seeing the kids. He was scared and freaked out. She said he threatened to kill her, and hurt her. He said she was the violent one and often hit him but he never laid a hand on her. I researched her. She had obtained dv restraining orders against four other guys she went out with in the past. Very similar allegations each time. She won restraining orders each time. The court believed her.
In another case, my client's ex was completely mentally ill with bi-polar disorder, borderline, histrionic anti-social and narcissistic personality disorders. But we could not prove that at first. She went to the kid's school on a day he was supposed to pick her up, in the middle of tense litigation. She went up to his car, clawed his face and then when the police were called, said it happened when he was slamming the car door repeatedly on her and she was trying to get him to stop. The child witnessed everything and told the truth. After over two years of intensive litigation, and investigation, including me tracking down old co-workers, bosses, roommates and neighbors, and hiring a PI to track her who witnessed her slamming 18 drinks in a short period and acting like a little girl and otherwise bizarre out in public, my client has sole custody and mom only has supervised visitation. That poor kid went through so much with the mom and dad never knew until the end. By the way, she was not arrested when she clawed my client's face. But he almost was, despite no marks on her.
I can give you more cases, but those are three. It happens all the time. And when the accused is a middle eastern-looking foreigner from a culture that is known to treat women like property, and mom is a sweet looking blond lady who loves organics and church, who is more likely to be believed by the system?
Again, I'm not saying he wasn't abusive, I don't know. But Sky went missing in her care and her adored daughter did not. She surely knew that would mean she'd eventually lose custody of the daughter, probably to the dad. Where is Sky?
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