WA WA - Sultan, WhtMale, 20-50, UP2886, sleeping bag, "Flex Hand" gloves, Air Jordans, clothes, Apr'07

[Gardener1850]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP2886
Male, White / Caucasian
Date Found April 10, 2007
Location Found Sultan, Washington

ME/C Case Number 07SN1070

Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 60
Estimated Age Range 20-50 Years
Estimated Year of Death 2002-2007
Estimated PMI Years
Height Cannot Estimate
Weight Cannot Estimate

Location Found Map
Street Address mile post 9.4 Sultan Basin Rd Sultan, Washington 98294
County Snohomish County

Circumstances of Recovery
Unidentified human skeletal remains found scattered in the woods near Sultan Basin Rd, Sultan , Washington. The cause and manner of death have not been determined.
Details of Recovery

Inventory of Remains
One or more limbs not recovered One or both hands not recovered

Condition of Remains
Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only

Unidentified Person Case

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Just to add that this case has been taken on by the DNA Doe Project but is currently stalled as the DNA extracted is not of sufficient quality for them to work with.

 

[leilarose68]

Apparently Snohomish county boiled the Doe bones back in the old days which has made it impossible to extract usable DNA. So disappointing

 

[Suglo]

Apparently Snohomish county boiled the Doe bones back in the old days which has made it impossible to extract usable DNA. So disappointing

I’ve heard of that practice but never the reasoning behind it. Do you or anyone know why they would boil the bones?

 

[Coffee56]

https://snohomishcountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/34061/04092007-Case-07SN1070?bidId=

 

[leilarose68]

I’ve heard of that practice but never the reasoning behind it. Do you or anyone know why they would boil the bones?

I think to get a better look at the structure/details in the bones.

 

[Gardener1850]

I’ve heard of that practice but never the reasoning behind it. Do you or anyone know why they would boil the bones?

My understanding is that it was done to clean the bones of any remaining bits of flesh or other dirt and debris so that they could be studied. I'm surprised that practice was still used in 2007.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Apparently Snohomish county boiled the Doe bones back in the old days which has made it impossible to extract usable DNA. So disappointing

So this case, and others where the bones have had the same treatment, are dead in the water?

Frankly boiling the bones sounds downright medieval.

 

[Coffee56]

Per reveal there is DNA and dental. It doesn’t state the quality of either.

The Lost & The Found

 

[Coffee56]

Rule outs

 

[Coffee56]

https://snohomishcountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/34061/04092007-Case-07SN1070?bidId=

According to this he appeared to be camping in the area. What did he have? A description of what he was found with could help.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Coffee56, the news article is vague, scattered bones were found at a makeshift campsite. I'll keep digging to ses if I can find anymore details.

The Daily Herald

Snohomish County sheriff's investigators on Tuesday collected bones found near a makeshift campsite off the Sultan Basin Road.

Detectives said it is too early to say if the remains are human.

Investigators did report finding an intact lower jawbone and what appeared to be ribs.

Two men stumbled across the bones Monday afternoon and reported the discovery later in the evening, sheriff's spokeswoman Rebecca Hover said.

Investigators hiked up a hill into dense woods just off the Sultan Basin Road about 10 miles north of U.S. 2.

The makeshift campsite wasn't visible from the road.

Investigators with the Snohomish County Medical Examiner's Office collected the bones Tuesday afternoon.

 

[Coffee56]

This guy has DNA on file so I’m sure he’s an auto rule out but the little turn to the right of the nose got me. I photo blended and they line up quite well. Even brows. But I know how easy it is to “see” things line up. Throwing him up for thoughts.

Mark Hess. Little to no info.

Missing Person Case

The Lost & The Found

 

[folieadeuxnola]

This guy has DNA on file so I’m sure he’s an auto rule out but the little turn to the right of the nose got me. I photo blended and they line up quite well. Even brows. But I know how easy it is to “see” things line up. Throwing him up for thoughts.

Mark Hess. Little to no info.

Missing Person Case

The Lost & The Found

He definitely has a striking resemblance the structure of his face is spot on

 

[CptCari]

This guy has DNA on file so I’m sure he’s an auto rule out but the little turn to the right of the nose got me. I photo blended and they line up quite well. Even brows. But I know how easy it is to “see” things line up. Throwing him up for thoughts.

Mark Hess. Little to no info.

Missing Person Case

The Lost & The Found

Definitely a possible match to look at!

 

[carbuff]

Assuming the sketch is accurate, there's certainly a good resemblance.

Ferndale, where he was last seen, is only about an hour and a half away from where the remains were found.

He disappeared in 2002, and the decedent is estimated to have died 2002-2007, so the timeline works.

Seems like enough to make it worth checking that it really is a ruleout by default.

 

[sasha17]

Bumping for this UID.

This guy has DNA on file so I’m sure he’s an auto rule out but the little turn to the right of the nose got me. I photo blended and they line up quite well. Even brows. But I know how easy it is to “see” things line up. Throwing him up for thoughts.

Mark Hess. Little to no info.

Missing Person Case

The Lost & The Found

I also noticed Mark Hess doesn't have a thread here so I started one: WA - WA - Mark Jay Hess, 46, Ferndale, 8 July 2002

 

[carbuff]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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MP786 Brian Barton 03/10/2005 King WA
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MP19678 Peter Bonick 02/22/1970 San Mateo CA
MP2031 Russell Bovit 05/11/1986 Caledonia VT
MP23370 Gregrey Brown 07/05/2005 Kittitas WA
MP2618 Brian Carlstrom 08/09/1986 San Bernardino CA
MP7308 Nicholas Cumming 05/14/2002 King WA
MP9629 Iulian Duna 05/03/2006 King WA
MP6086 Ronald Frye 09/25/1993 Island WA
MP40996 Norman Griffiths 05/06/1996 Snohomish WA
MP22999 Titanic Hagen 08/24/1979 Snohomish WA
-- Clarence Albin Johnson 12/13/2004 Snohomish WA
-- Roger Lenard Jung 09/25/200 5 Snohomish WA
MP1752 Christopher King 08/02/1974 San Bernardino CA
MP839 Reuben Lewis 02/21/1991 Snohomish WA
MP15607 Harry March Jr. 10/07/1997 Snohomish WA
MP35364 Alfred McFarland 10/22/2003 King WA
MP25072 Ronnie Nelson 05/25/2002 Grant WA
MP852 Joseph Pichler 01/05/2006 Kitsap WA
MP14400 Austin Renshaw 10/27/2003 King WA
MP2074 James Schroeder 09/25/1982 Idaho ID
MP2035 Thomas Scott 08/23/1984 Tarrant TX
-- Tyrom Theis -- -- OR

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A new forensic drawing shows an unidentified man, known as the Sultan Basin John Doe, whose remains were found scattered in the woods north of Sultan in 2007. The 2021 drawing was the second attempt at a facial reconstruction by artist Natalie Murry. (Courtesy of Snohomish County Medical Examiner’s Office.)


...Snohomish County detectives found the rest of the skull, more scattered human bones, clothing and the barest of essentials for camping at the site.

The man had been dead a while. Maybe a year. Maybe five. His identity is still unknown. So is what killed him.

This month marks 14 years since the John Doe’s remains were found northeast of Sultan. Investigators believe they are finally close to figuring out the man’s name, with the help of DNA, genealogy research and a fresh drawing of how his face might have looked.

DNA-based family trees created by an Oregon genealogist suggest the Sultan Basin John Doe has deep roots in Texas and Louisiana on one side of his family. On the other side, he has genetic ties to Plain people — as in Amish and Mennonite communities — in Ohio and Indiana. And certainly he has relatives elsewhere.

To restore the man’s identity, detectives need one more solid lead. Anyone who might know his name can contact the Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office at 425-388-3393.
Who Am I? Clues heat up search for name of another John Doe | HeraldNet.com

 

[carbuff]

I recommend anybody following this case go read the whole article. Lots of information about the case and the reconstruction, and pictures of where his remains were found. (I wonder if he fell off that cliff.)

The new recon looks a heck of a lot like some of my relatives.