WA WA - Thurston Co., WhtFem UP12017, 30-60, on Nisqually Reservation, Nov'13

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  1. bflocket

    bflocket Well-Known Member

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    I've always kind of felt that way too, but not necessarily about "other parts of the country" like you said. I was raised, and currently live, in a tiny town (about 200 people) out in the country.

    I always felt like things were more dangerous in "the city" rather than a specific area of the country.

    But what you said made me think about that...

    I lived in "the city" (actually Louisville or Lexington, so not HUGE ones) for close to a decade. I never had my house broken into, was never robbed or assaulted or anything like that while I was living in anything that qualifies as a city. That only happens where I am now. My tiny town with one caution-light, one mini-mart and the Post Office in a double-wide.

    Yet I still "feel" safer here... I guess that is due to familiarity. But "crap" can happen anywhere at any time. We just tend to not make as big of a deal about it when it's local. Anything really bad that happens seems to happen "somewhere" else to "someone" else. But "crap" happens here, too.
     


  2. Fiddlehead

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    Since this thread was bumped...

    Just stepping in to ask if there is a way to see a map or list that is searchable to yield a list of women who went missing in Washington in 2012 or 2013. I know a few have been mentioned in this thread already but it would be nice to see a comprehensive list. Would I head to the Charley Project for such a database?

    Certainly worth exploring since we know John Charlton has parents who live/lived in Thurston County and that the FBI thinks he may have killed before. If JC was into fishing or hunting, Nisqually NWR would likely be an area he'd be familiar with for a dumping ground.

    edit to add: oops I guess it wasn't bumped. I saw the last post was April 2015 but... it's 2016! Sorry.
     
  3. carbuff

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    Well, it was bumped by reference in the other thread.

    You can get that info from Namus -- www.findthemissing.org
     
  4. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Cannot seem to find an update for this case, but did find that an awful lot of dogs bring their owner's bones of unidentified remains! imo.
     
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    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    "The lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful countryside."

    and

    "Do you know, Watson," said he, "that it is one of the curses of a mind with a turn like mine that I must look at everything with reference to my own special subject. You look at these scattered houses, and you are impressed by their beauty. I look at them, and the only thought which comes to me is a feeling of their isolation and of the impunity with which crime may be committed there."

    - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
     
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    This is now a pending case with the DNA Doe Project.
     
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  8. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Oct 5 2019 rbbm.
    Tribe Partners With Sheriff’s Office In Hopes of Solving Pair of Cold Case Homicides
    ''The Nisqually Indian Tribe recently donated $13,000 to the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office in hopes of solving two cold case homicides that occurred near the Nisqually Reservation, one of which has gone nearly 40 years without any new evidence.

    Sheriff’s Office Lt. Ray Brady said the funds will help the sheriff’s office pay for genealogy testing and specialized DNA processing in the two separate cold cases. The department is hoping genealogy test results will find a match through a federal database search, and Brady said he believes the likelihood of that happening and new leads developing is likely.''


    ''The two cases occurred in 2013 and 1981 and involve people finding what are believed to be body parts of deceased female homicide victims.

    In October 1981, skeletal remains and other bone fragments were found by pedestrians just off Reservation Road near State Route 510 in a heavily forested area.

    Thurston County investigators’ initial findings concluded that the victim’s remains had been out in the forest anywhere from two to 15 years. Because of that detail, the case soon went cold.''

    ''The second case was opened more recently on Nov. 9, 2013, when a dog brought a human leg to its owner’s home on Peter Kalama Drive near the Nisqually Indian Reservation.

    Subsequent searches by the sheriff’s office resulted in an arm, pelvis, rib cage, parts of a skull and jaw bone being found within a square mile of each other on the reservation.


    According to a 2013 Nisqually Valley News article, the remains were found to be dismembered by human means and were spread by animals. The sheriff’s office also reported that the remains, found to be that of a woman with light-pigmented skin, were likely there for a month or so.

    Despite cross referencing the victim’s remains with that of the county’s missing persons list, the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office could not make a positive identification.''
     
  9. Melt71

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    Now an active DDP case - loaded into GED and undergoing genealogical research
     
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    Fingers crossed for a smooth process and a quick identification.
     
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  11. KelseyDana

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    I just wanted to hop on and shed some light into the area where these remains were found. FYSA I lived in Yelm from 2017-2020 and travelled daily on this stretch of road to Lacey and JBLM.

    The google-esque pin is on Church Kalama road. Church Kalama == Peter Kalama, where the remains were found. If I'm incorrect in assuming this, or someone knows more specifically where other parts of the remains were found, I'd be happy to update the map.

    To get your bearings, this section of 510 connects Yelm (as well as Tenino, Rainier, and Spanaway) to Lacey via the Nisqually reservation. This is an 'open' res with Thurston county transit buses regularly stopping at the Red Wind Casino. I marked the Nisqually jail in the upper left corner of the map. I wouldn't say tribal police presence is strong, but they're there. They have a lot of forested area to cover, so that's probably why I didn't see them patrolling too much. There was always a patrol car at the casino, but not always a LEO in the car (probably was inside the casino).

    The orange rectangle I marked is where a homeless camp is located. You can see this camp from the road, but they try to give themselves some privacy by staying back into the trees. I would often see people walking to and from this camp and the casino (it was pretty easy to tell that a lot of these folks struggled with addiction). Sometimes there were also camps SE of where you see 'Leschi's Best' marked on the map. Camps in this location were often broken up because there's now a huge clearing there that JBLM uses for night training missions.

    Up north of the Nisqually river is reservation and JBLM land inner mixed. There's a dirt road called 'Tank Trail road' (sometimes marked on maps, usually not. Sidenote this is the dirt road used to direct civilian traffic through base when the Amtrak derailed in DuPont in 2018). You could probably access this area from Tank Trail road, but I would guess Nisqually police would see you.

    Back in 2017/2018 I was training for a ruck and would be all over this section of the ranges. I had base access, but there's no checkpoint until you get right up on base. Otherwise you can hike around in here via east gate road through Roy. If you find Lewis lake on a map, there are lots of tank trails that can take you back into this section of the res. I found myself in this section on accident a few times. To give you an idea of the size, my pace was about 18 min/mile and I could go 4+ hours without seeing anyone back in here (on a weekend at least). Looking back I shouldn't have hiked alone as a woman for that long, but hey, I lived to tell the tale.

    Hopefully this gives some Websleuths an idea of the identity of the woman or her killer. I could easily see either of them as being part of this homeless population, or her killer as being a soldier or veteran. A soldier would know that this piece of land is pretty desolate and access is somewhat controlled. He/she would also know where land nav courses and common camps are and to steer away from them. Additionally, s/he would know how easy it is to pop back onto a dirt road that connects to 510 or east gate from this location.

    I saw a few mentions of Chehalis and Centrailia missing persons cases. I don't see someone dumping remains here from Chehalis or Centrailia. Those areas are probably even more desolate than this section of the res and base. I could see someone from Lakewood, Tacoma, Lacey, (maybe Graham and Puyallup?) Yelm, Tenino, Rainier, Olympia, Roy, McKenna, or University Place ending up here.

    I hope she gets her name back soon.
     

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  12. dotr

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    Welcome to Ws KelseyDana, thanks for the awesome local perspective!
     
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    Thank you! I've been meaning to join WS for some years now. Now that life has slowed down for me a bit, I'm excited to be a part of the community.
     
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Peter Kalama Ln Jane Doe 2013 - DNA Doe Project Cases
    ''On November 6, 2013 Thurston County sheriff’s office completed a search for human body parts in a wooded area on the Nisqually Indian Reservation near Yelm, Washington. The four-day search involving 30 search and rescue volunteers and dog teams, was initiated after a dog returned a leg bone to the home of its owner on Peter Kalama Lane. From the parts that were located, a forensic scientist was only able to determine that the deceased was a White/ Caucasian female between 30-60 years old. Close examination revealed the woman had been dismembered by human means, so homicide is suspected. NamUs ID: UP12017
    Date Body Found: November 6, 2013
    Race: White / Caucasian
    Gender: Female
    Estimated Age: 30-60
    Estimated PMI: Unknown
    Location: Yelm, WA

    Agency of Jurisdiction
    Thurston County Sheriff’s Office
    Frank Frawley, Detective
    360-786-5599
    frank.frawley@co.thurston.wa.us
    Link to More Information
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    Body parts found on Nisqually Reservation
    Remains found near Nisqually identified as woman, 'dismembered by human means'

    Status: Research in Progress

    Posted on
    July 3, 2020''
     
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    Her Admixture
     

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