Was Burke Involved? # 4

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  1. DrollForeignFaction

    DrollForeignFaction Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha. And then in his deposition in the Wolf case (which hinged on proving Patsy wrote the note) he acts like there are no similarities whatsoever. In fact, he says she couldn't have written it because her handwriting is so "feminine"! The video is on Youtube, it's kind of funny to watch him scramble.

    Q. Okay. Now, Mr. Ramsey, I am going to ask you to, once again, look at it. And I am going to ask you, in looking at it, whether or not you see any similarity between your wife's handwriting and the handwriting in the ransom note; you personally.
    A. Absolutely not.
    Q. None at all?
    A. No.
    Q. Not even a little bit?
    A. Not even a little bit.
    Q. Now, Mr. Ramsey —
    A. Patsy writes very neatly. She is a feminine writer.
    Q. Right.
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/for...-Ramsey-Deposition-Wolf-Case-December-12-2001



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  2. Annapurna

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    I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are saying in your first paragraph


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  3. Miz Adventure

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    Kanzz - did I plagiarize your post? Well they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Lol

    I tend to C&P comments and bits and pieces that I find interesting or relevant and post them into my notes file under the appropriate headings. That was one I had put under Lou Smit's name.. I must have liked that one!


    And DFFaction - I also had that other comment of JR's in my file. I use it to demonstrate what a liar he is. First he says one thing and then he says another.

    And we thought Pinnocchio was a liar!
     
  4. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    Oh, Miz, I am totally flattered! Luv it! Use it all you want.
    :winkkiss:
     
  5. singularity

    singularity New Member

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    Kanzz I've had discussions with you before so of course I know what your screen name is. It was a really long day, I logged in to read all the messages backed up the past week, respond to a few, so apologies that I forgot to type the second z in your name.

    So you think detectives, FBI agents, etc. don't have help solving their cases and that no one else reads the files? Wow. No cases would ever get solved if it all depended on one single person.

    Or he reached that conclusion without seeing enough. Of course people have opinions and no one is saying KOlar cant have his own.

    Of course it lacks evidence. Even the theory's biggest supporters will concede that point.

    No arguments on Smit. I think he should've walked out of that John interview in handcuffs or in the least fired on the spot.
     
  6. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Miz Adventure,
    Wow, hand writing to gender, how does that work?

    It's not a trick question.

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  7. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    Right. But still. It's "kanzz", singularity. No Capitol Letter. I was only trying to be just a tid bit fussy. Sometimes it seems to be the mode-o-day. :wink:

    I didn't say that. What I said was, "That wouldn't put that material into his brain." Sure, he would've gotten input. But I believe that for the most part he was trying his best to absorb this material himself.

    Well, he certainly saw more of it than we ever will.

    No, I won't concede that point. How would anyone know that his theory lacks any real evidence? We don't know what is in those files in Boulder.

    Thank you. Agree.
     
  8. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    (to be fair, the poster capitalized the first word of a sentence which happened to begin with your screen name. I'm "flourish," but folks here frequently address me as "Flourish," so I do get it.)
     
  9. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    oh yeah, I get it... that's why I said, "I was only trying to be just a tid bit fussy. Sometimes it seems to be the mode-o-day."
    Or maybe even demonstrate a little something about nit-picking. KWIM? :wink:
     
  10. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    A-ha! Finally got it :)
     
  11. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    Maybe I was a lil to vague/cryptic. I can be that way sometimes. :abnormal:
     
  12. Rott Mom

    Rott Mom Active Member

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    I have watched (and read) all of this "case". What I can't quote, but I do remember BR being asked about
    what he remembers about JBR that Christmas morning - he responds - along the lines of - I remember
    she fell ON her bike. Not nothing about his new toys.
     
  13. TeaTime

    TeaTime Well-Known Member

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    Start with PR and JR insisting that PR dressed JBR for bed, add that PR is the only one in the house, besides JBR, who knew such panties were in the house and where they were stored.

    Then add that PR couldn't remember a thing about the panties from the prior night's dressing for bed. Were they too big or did they fit? She just couldn't remember.

    Then recall that PR never stated that she changed JBR into fresh panties after the party.

    I suggest that JBR dressed herself in those panties, wore them to the party and stayed in them that night and that her panties were never changed and that she was never redressed.

    Add that the huge panties were urine stained as were the long johns, which she forgot to mention were BR's in her 'dressing JBR for bed" story.

    Then ask yourself why panties would have to be changed at all. Were the ones she wore to bed freshly soiled with urine/feces/blood? They weren't found in the house - anywhere.

    There is NO evidence to suggest that she was redressed and there is no logical reason to invent a redressing. It is a red herring. It was invented by people who think that an 'IDI', or that BR found them in the basement when he was molesting his sister or those who think that PR would never dress her child in huge undies or her brother's cast offs. POPPYCOCK. JBR may have dressed herself in those panties and we know that PR dressed JBR in BR's hand me downs.

    It seems foolish to invent a redressing that has no basis in fact and then go round and round and round about who did it.
     
  14. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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    *heavy sigh*

    He was asked what he remembers about JonBenet that Christmas morning and he responded "I remember she fell on her bike." Why would he say anything about his new toys when he wasn't asked about his new toys?
     
  15. lisasalinger

    lisasalinger Juror13

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    I tried to find a good source that claimed the paintbrush handle had been whittled and couldn't find it. I also tried to find a source that described the knot as a "prusik hitch" and couldn't find that either except when it was discussed on sites like WS and reddit. For me, the author of the page jumps to too many conclusions. The logic here being: Burke liked to whittle. Burke was a Boy Scout. The paintbrush handle was whittled and the knots tied could be found in the Boy Scout Manual; therefore, Burke did it. Okay, if that's what creator of the webpage wants to believe, then fine.

    I ran across another web site the other day that was playing fast and loose with the facts. I thought it was great until I started realizing that the author of the website was getting details wrong. That site claimed that the rope found in JAR's bedroom was just sitting uncovered on the floor. I wasn't able to find a reliable source for that either. Too bad. Wouldn't it have been great if it was true?
     
  17. Tortoise

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    I found it interesting in your link (I've seen reference to this before in mention of JBR's medical records) that Patsy reported to Dr Beuf in August 1996 that JonBenet was asking about sex roles and reproduction.

    I've also seen it mentioned in Dr Hodges' book A Mother Gone Bad that JonBenet had a dream that she had a baby, and I think if I remember correctly, in the dream she was in a castle with Patsy. I need to go back and look again to see if he mentions how he came to know about that information about her dream.

    I know it's not about the knife, but this got me to thinking about why a 6 year old would be preoccupied enough (if it was around about the same time frame as the doctor visit) to have a dream about having a baby. It'd be different if the family was having a new baby but I would think quite extraordinary otherwise in the life of a 6 year old.
     
  18. Tortoise

    Tortoise Well-Known Member

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    From PMPT
    So she also regressed in her toilet training that same summer. What had happened?
     
  19. Userid

    Userid Well-Known Member

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    No, there are other options. I'm RDI, and I agree with you that JBR most likely dressed herself in the bloomies, but another possible scenario is that, she had wet the bed and perhaps PR changed her right then into the bloomies -- because obviously, JBR had wet herself at least twice that night: once in her bed, and sadly, once she was murdered.
     
  20. Userid

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    It's fantasy. It's taking what is known and trying to fit it into the evidence, rather than letting the evidence speak for itself. Like you say, if that's how some want to approach the case, so be it, but I don't agree with that approach.
     
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