Was Burke Involved? # 4

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  1. BBB167893

    BBB167893 Former Member

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    That's a fair point, FairM1. Jim Clemente and Laura Richards asked a Boulder attorney that, and she didn't think so. She hinted strongly that it would have to be Burke they were covering for, but I'm not sold. I still think it could be exactly as you say.

    That's from the Dr. Phil show.
     
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    There was in THIS one. Lou Smit and John Douglas were both called. The GJ didn't fall for their bag of tricks, either.
    Only that the statute of limitations has run out.

    Begging your pardon, but what kind of reasoning is that?
     
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    Nothing good. That's for certain. What a fascist pig. I hope you rot, Woody.
     
  4. PositiveLight

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    Thanks for posting those Droll. Looks like I have some reading to do tonight.

    I haven't read that yet obviously but if people think his answers were coached, it devalues his statements. Cant say it was coached and then use those coached words against him in the face of the evidence. Cant have it both ways.


    Not much at all which is why the doc had to skip over much of the case.

    I respectfully disagree. The pineapple was important. This directly puts him with JonBenet during the time frame of her death.
    They did have inappropriate touching. His tDNA was on the night gown found with her and it had came from the dryer IIRC with the blanket she was wrapped in. Plus they can't even charge Burke with anything. So why release all the info and evidence.

    I certainly agree that those photographs are key. However, I doubt that a 9 year old is going to be infatuated to the extent of taking and/or collecting photographs of a girl. That is something that older boys/guys would do. If Burke was infatuated with her, he doesn't need a stack of photographs. He has easy access to her on a daily and possibly continuous basis. He "plays doctor" and even sleeps with her so why on earth would he need photographs?
    Again disagree. I'm still researching the photos myself. But offenders do like to keep trophies. Maybe they were threw in the basement when the parents found out what he did. I think the REASON they were down there is very significant.


    Interesting question indeed and its one of many questions that causes BDI to fall apart from the get go.

    I don't think Burke cleaned her up imho.

    TeaTime....

    This could be chalked up to the Ramseys not wanting him to get involved. Yeah he did admit to listening to everything that was going on, which is something he didn't have to do and wouldn't have done if he killed her.


    Obviously we don't know when she died or ate that pineapple. No one can possibly pinpoint the exact time he went down there. If this is some smoking gun, he never would have admitted doing it in the first place. Burke actually filled in a couple blanks and he was merely crucified for doing so. Unfortunately we wont be getting any more blanks filled in now.
    So let's say they arrived home at 10pm. They probably spent an hour working on Burke's toy maybe less. later. We are now at 11pm. Supposedly JonBenet was in bed per JR and PR asleep. John takes BR to bed with flashlight. Weird.so maybe we are at 11:30 pm- 12:00 am. Burke sneaks downstairs to play with a toy and ate some pineapple. Head injury occurs possibly by 12:20am.
    http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/basics/transit.htm (how long does it take for food to reach the duodenum. Shorter time for children) She was alive but clinically brain dead for 45min- 2 hours.After laying there possibly an hour to be fair, that puts us at 1:20 am. BR attempts to strangle her but doesn't finish the job.She's still bleeding when parents find her.possiblyy 30 min later. Now we are at 1:50am. she's cleaned up possibly by 2:30. PR wrote the ransom note from hell. maybe took an hour or more meanwhile JR is cleaning up the scene running around with a flashlight and disposing of evidence. after finally finishing her off with the ligature and placed her in the wine cellar. So that leaves us possibly at 3:30 am. http://study.com/academy/lesson/rigor-mortis-definition-timeline-stages.html

    This means nothing. These two played together and slept together. Obviously tDNA is to be expected.


    I've watched it and I don't see it as some smoking gun.

    A 9 year old boy talked to his friend about his sister's murder. There's nothing surprising about that. Had he NOT talked to anyone about it, it would be much more alarming.
    The mom of the boy asked him to repeat what he said after over hearing the convo and he refused to say it again.

    I agree the flashlight thing is interesting but this puts John in more hot water than Burke. Why is a grown man using a flashlight to go room to room in a house full of lights? Its another layer of their dysfunction.
    ((((i call it deceit personally. )))))
    This household's issue with poop is another layer of dysfunction. As we've been over before, none of this poop was ever tested and cant be sourced to him.
    +welcome back! Glad to see you!+
    Murderer Servant....



    Its a bit more believable than bashing her head over a pineapple snack. That doesn't come close to passing a smell test.



    OceanBlueEyes...

    Funny to say this to someone with 20k posts but you should post more. I definitely don't believe in IDI but the rest of that was solid and is needed in this section.
     
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    You're speaking very generally, OBE. You can't compare other DA's with the ones in Boulder. Even the current DA said that the fact that Alex Hunter kept getting elected was because the Boulder voters were not paying attention and said Mary Lacy lacked leadership. He can't do anything now because of how bad the previous two f***ed this case up.

    It wasn't the first time Alex Hunter tanked a case because he thought he might lose or because the city of Boulder might end up looking bad.

    That's a lousy comparison. Westerfield didn't hang out inside the house for hours. Some of the cops don't even think he went inside: if they left the door open, he could have lured Danielle out.

    Look, they've had 20 years to find an intruder. They haven't.
     
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    It is significant. I have always thought those "cutesy" photographs were a huge piece of the puzzle. They were placed down there because it was the only place for them to go. They weren't leaving the house so where could they try to bury a secret? The basement. The basement wound up being a catch all for this family's horrors.

    Its an outrage that BPD didn't take this more seriously and make a more thorough attempt to source these photographs. Yeah we can narrow down the owner of those photographs to two adults(John and JAR) and a child(Burke). That's not good enough. Someone in that house was infatuated with her and she winds up dead. It's possible that one has nothing to do with the other but that doesn't wipe away their existence and someone had some splainin' to do and unfortunately they never had to cop to owning these photographs or why they were taken(and saved) in the first place.

    I have always thought it more likely that these photos were taken from JAR's room. The family knew they were in there, cleared out his room of anything that could even be perceived as inappropriate, and to the basement it went. His area of the house looks like Yucca Flats after the blast and that's not because there was nothing to worry about going on in there.

    His mom was snooping around. Burke isn't the only kid who wouldn't repeat his convo with a friend to a friend's mother.
     
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    Do you remember during Patsy's interview with police they showed her pictures and a few she had a strong reaction to. Like it was an inappropriate. I wonder if someone took pics of JonBenet that wasn't proper on their camera. It had to be bad because that is one of the few times she got nervous or angry.

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    Thanks! The indictment says it all ...
    ...very clearly. I'm don't know why the IDI camp chooses to ignore it. It is very specific. I am wondering if the GJ heard testimony or read copies of Burke's medical or psychiatric history to come to the conclusions it did.

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    Yeah there is or it wouldn't be open to debate.
     
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    Yeah I'd like to see the actual video of the parts of the transcripts where they bring up these photographs and also when they ask her about Jonbenet being abused and if Patsy had ever been abused. If there was ever a point in the interviews when the mask may have started to slip, it's during that.
     
  12. PositiveLight

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    Yes me too!
    I am studying a candy rose site and hopefully will come across it.
    In this interview with the National Enquire, John admits Burke was awake and admits he changed his story. This interview was dated April 3, 2001
    It's pretty interesting if you haven't read it. They said, "[FONT=&quot]Burke has been strangely quiet about his sister's murder, the Ramseys reveal. They say it wasn't until Burke's 1999 grand jury testimony that they found out he was awake before police arrived -- but was pretending to be asleep."[/FONT]
    http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm

    There's some good little tidbits in the article. 
     
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    Yeah I've read that. It's certainly interesting how they pretty much flip flop on this issue over the years.

    I also ready candyrose, the encyclopedia, etc. My memory isn't up to snuff so I review certain aspects of the case every so often.

    One more thing about the photographs...

    If those could somehow be sourced to Burke I might take the Burke angle a little more seriously. At least then there would be something resembling a motive that isn't a piece of fruit. While highly unlikely, its possible during the pageant/photography sessions that he developed some sort of fetish with it and started to indulge in it himself. He wouldn't be able to develop the film himself so his parents would be aware of his unusual interest in her and that it isn't normal for someone his age regardless of any other issues he may have had. I suppose its possible they were aware of such an interest, laughed it off, and threw it into the "boys will be boys" category. They were certainly aware of them sleeping together. Would they consider an interest in photographing her to be a step over the line?

    I still think an adult was likely taking those photographs but either way we slice it, this was a strange family.
     
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    If BR is a psychopath, then the whole set of related antisocial behaviors specified in the DSM would be present. ASPDs violate the rights of others as a way of life. Even if BR did committ an assault as an adult, that alone wouldn't make a case for ASPD. This much is not speculation; it's the nature of the disorder. I will speculate, though, that if he has an adult history of assault, we'd have heard something. Repeated violent behavior is hard to cover up for any length of time and the tabloids keep files on and regularly watch people like BR. Even rumors are worth a lot of money.

    BR is disordered; there's no doubt about it. For what it's worth, DP denies autism or Asperger's and says BR is a personable fellow, which, if true, rules out a number of other diagnoses; and there's no known case for ASPD. It's quite a puzzle. From the information we have, I think he may be a schizoid personality. At a glance -- SPDs live in a world of their own even when they appear to belong or interact with others, get absorbed/fixated in exclusive activity (like whittling all over the house), typically have flattened or inappropriate affect, and may have a history of conduct disorder. It's an anxiety based type. Remember BR's nervous hands and looking away in the DP interview? It's curious to me that you and quite a few others found him slick. I would describe him as immature, inarticulate, unable to feel/express normal emotions, and lacking awareness of his eccentric behavior. Having a lively, expressive, sensitive sibling like JBR could have felt like torment.
     
  15. PositiveLight

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    I agree he has some kind of disorder. It's like he has no moral compass and doesn't know what proper behavior is. Or probably never knew and hence the playing doctor with JonBenet. No one stopped them and told them it was naughty so they thought it was ok. Plus I think he has an underlying psych issue. Not sure what it is but something is very abnormal with him.i think was showing some duping delight with most of his answers. That is slick to me. Make sense? Might not be the perfect word for him. I think his is triggered by jealousy and rage. My biggest fear is that he does have some disorder and a girlfriend triggers him and he hurt her too.
    Even when DP asked him about seeing his sister in the coffin, he pointed out her droopy eye and said it was weird. I would expect that to be possibly said as a 7 yr old, but a 29 year old? He has to know how his answers effected people. That's one sign to me that he's not mentally and socially growing as he should. If you watch DPs interviews again you will notice he acts like a child still in his mannerisms and his thoughts.
    Who in the world would make a comment on a dead sibling and not say she looked beautiful but instead mentions her droopy eye. Even 20 years later he's still jealous of her.

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    Don't know who ever said she was killed over a piece of pineapple, that is simply a piece of fiction. Yet you keep saying it. The fact that Burke smeared sh1t all over her candy is far more revealing as to how he felt about her.


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  17. Mountain_Kat

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    I think I might need a quick refresher course on the basement photos. All I recall is detectives asking PR about them. To best of my recollection, we were never made aware of the content of those photos ( apart from JB being the subject), or why LE was so interested in them. Did I miss something?
     
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    Your post reminded me of something... remember how PR reacted in interrogation about the "funny little clue" of hearts drawn and "no No NO" scribbled on the AG pamphlet? She just could not imagine who did that, right? Well, maybe this evidence of basement photos is another thing we should pay attn. to it.
     
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    That is not a heart on JonBenet's palm. In fact it looks more like something a 9 year old boy would draw.
     
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    Mountain_Kat,

    Basement Photos Refresher
    Patsy's 1998 BPD Interview, excerpt
    Photos were found and it was more than say five, since Trip DeMuth is comparing them with other JonBenet photo sessions, their nature well that's cutesy according to Trip DeMuth. Later BPD executed a search warrant at the Ramsey house in Charlevoix, Michigan, where allegedly they were looking for inappropriate pictures of JonBenet? The results of the search warrant were sealed.

    .
     
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