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  1. HMSHood

    HMSHood Admiral-Class Battlecruiser

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    Was Jack the Ripper a WOMAN Salvation Army worker who turned serial killer to save the East End?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orker-turned-serial-killer-save-East-End.html

    Could the brutal murders attributed to Jack the Ripper have been committed by a woman charity worker in a perverse bid to bring the harrowing conditions in the East End into the light?

    This is the theory put forward in a new novel about the Victorian serial killer, whose elusive identity has occupied criminologists for more than a century.

    During the 1888 murder spree in east London's Whitechapel, the Ripper killed women and removed their sexual and internal organs with such surgical precision that many believed he had to be a doctor.


    Jack The Ripper could be a female, not a male.

    Also from the article.

    Mr Perring says the murders had an unexpected outcome - they drew the attention of the wider world to the appalling conditions endured by those living in the capital's slums.

    'The Ripper murders surprisingly did a lot of good for the East End,' he said.

    'Someone had shone a light on how awful the conditions were. There were all manner of social works and good deeds afterwards.'


    I have read that Jack the Ripper could be a female. It is possible. The killer has never been caught and will never know who he or she is.
     
  2. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    Whoever the killer was, he/she was a right mental case. The mutilations were horrific, and thankfully all post-mortem.. My personal theory is that it was someone with an intense paraphilia for which they required freshly dead women. The kills were quick, sudden blitz attacks, the mutilations were an indulgence which substantially increased the risk of discovery for the killer - so I tend to think that the killing was just a means to an end - warm fresh bodies to play about with.
     
  3. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    But IS it possible?

    Is there a precedent of a woman butchering other women?

    I can't think of one personally so I'd say this is highly unlikely. Jack was driven by sexual frenzy imo.

    also, these attacks required a lot of strength AND surgical knowledge, something the women of that century were excluded from.
     
  4. prd2bokie

    prd2bokie New Member

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    Jodi Arias supposedly took down a muscular grown man.
     
  5. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    The Papin sisters butchered other women but they weren't serial killers or at least they didn't get the chance to continue.

    Anyway, Salvation Army Commissioner David Lamb did suggest a suspect who'd reportedly predicted one of the murders but this individual was a man who was said to be a songwriter. I don't believe that the man was ever named, at least in public.

    Anything is possible but I doubt very much that the killer was a woman. That hasn't stopped several from being named as suspects over the years though.
     
  6. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    I've indulged in so many arguments over the years, both for and against JtR being a woman... I like to argue all sides of an idea, it gives me perspective.

    One hand, yes a woman can be strong, and a woman can be very murderous. A woman can even be crazy-ass enough to want to eviscerate her victims and spend time draping their intestines around the victim's neck - or in Mary Kelly's case, flaying the meat off her bones, as well... and leaving it, with her internal organs, on a bedside table... Sure, a woman could have done that.

    But statistically, very very few women are on record for even a single exampleof even the ballpark level of this type of murder. In fact, I don't think I can find ONE. Let alone a series of murders of the same ilk.

    In the "for" basket goes the fact that the killer likely did not have penile rape on his/her mind, being that between the actual killing and the subsequent mutilation, there was not a lot of time -- the mutilation itself was probably the primary goal. Also, there's good evidence that the victims were likely brought down fast, silenced/killed via strangulation/cut throats -- and very possibly from behind. While a lot of street prostitutes probably offered themselves from behind, leaning against a wall (the streets were *filthy* and they had those big skirts on, big doubts they ever lay down for sex in all the muck) there's also a chance they were simply blitz-attacked from behind, rapidly and thus little actual strength was needed.

    I do tend to think the killer was a man, however I'd not fall off my chair if it turned out to be a woman after all.
     
  7. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    Actually - as I said in my post above, they really did not require a lot of strength. In fact, the blitz-attack style these murders appear to be might even support the notion that the killer was not physically very strong.


    There's a lot of arguments *against* the killer having surgical knowledge, as well as some good arguments *for* it. I tend to think not. The mutilations weren't that precise. A general knowledge of where organs lie might come from butchering work, funeral work (morgue attendants and the like), for example. Maybe even nursing work.. or just experience gathered as he went. But the whole "JtR was a surgeon" thing, I can't go for that, mainly as the cuts are ragged and sloppy -- the victims truly were "ripped" open, their insides were groped in and roughly cut out. Nothing much surgical about it, except for the ability to locate a uterus, maybe.
     
  8. justinwade82

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    AS a Ripperologist, I can honestly say that most if not all experts agree that there little or no surgical or medical knowledge demonstrated by the killing. It was more the knowledge that a butcher would have.
     
  9. justinwade82

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    I honestly believe that JtR is over and done with. Most of the experts are satisfied that the Whitechapel Murders as they should be called have been solved and the killer arrested and put in a mental institution where he died. There are 5 canonical victims, all prostitutes, all lived and worked within a mile of each other and probably knew each other. They all probably drank at the same pubs, slept at the same doss houses and maybe even in jail at the same time during their lives. The killer had intimate knowledge of the workings of the area as well as the police beats as to evade capture. Therefore, the killer probably was an Eastern European immigrant perhaps Jewish as well but maybe not. He worked with his hands as a butcher with the speed he performed some of the mutilations. The motive, hatred of women. Maybe his mother worked as a part-time or full-time prostitute as was common at the time or could have been his wife or girlfriend. Or he probably caught some STD. Either way, we'll never be able to prove any suspect beyond a reasonable doubt
     
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    You came in with a bang! Welcome to WS!
     
  11. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    That's sort of what Martin Fido has been pushing for 30 years now but I wouldn't say most experts believe that.
     
  12. Armchair2

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    Mary Ann "Polly" Nichols' throat had been cut so deeply she was nearly decapitated. This must have taken some strength. leaning towards a male
    just my opinion
     

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