Wesley Hadsell Arrested 21-22 March 2015

[LookingForClues]

I would like to know where her phone GPS says it was when all those texts came in about not being ready to come home, etc. Was it at the Franklin house, WH's hotel, somewhere else...or maybe all of the above, since the texts were sent over a period of many hours?

Also, how long did her phone show it was at the Franklin house?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm also a little hung up on the words "around the time" as that seems closer than a several hour window to me.
JMO

It may not seem like it for all my posts today but I'm actually having a bit of an issue with this whole "around the same time" thing. It would have been nice if they'd have said "at around 9am" or something like that. But they didn't so all we really have to go by, is the last credible sighting we're aware of and that's the 7am (it actually says 7:30 on the MPR) sighting.

It really does seem like a VERY small window, but we don't know what went on at JH's house that morning. I don't suppose it would take more than a few minutes for a confrontation to happen, AJ be subdued somehow and thrown in the work van. At the very least, we do know their phones were together, so that tells me one way or another, she was with him too.

 

[hey-Debbie]

After catching up on this thread, I have a few random thoughts. Please correct me if I have the timing wrong or if my logic is off.

If we assume that the "last time" AJ was seen is 7:00 a.m Monday, and WH's work truck turned into the driveway of the house where she was found "around the time" she was last seen, this was a very quick abduction. That's even allowing several hours for "around the time."

AJ died from an overdose (however administered). Ending up at that house so quickly tells me WH intended to kill her. This wasn't recreational use that went wrong and he had to figure something out on the fly. If it all went down this quickly, it seems that he went to JH's house, took AJ, injected her, drove to NC, turned around and dumped her either dead or dying at the house in Franklin. Or he took her to that house, injected her and left.

Or he secured her alive at the house for his own use, and returned later and she died of an OD...? Have we ever considered this scenario?

But why? What happened that drove him to do this to AJ? Drug-fueled revenge on JH? Rejection by AJ?

On the other hand, if the time she was "last seen" is later than 7:00 a.m., by someone we don't know about yet, in a place we don't know about yet, that could perhaps change the scenario completely into an accidental, recreational OD covered up by WH. I doubt that, but we don't know for sure. It could still be deliberate.

I'm also a little hung up on the words "around the time" as that seems closer than a several hour window to me.
JMO

I agree. I'm having the same questions as you.

 

[PirateGirl]

I've always wondered that as well. If she was outside of the house why wouldn't LE have found her the first time they went out there or searched the property. I guess that's something for some reason we've never discussed much here.

Hubby and I have had this convo a LOT.

 

[Vail]

The date of the GPS Tracking is a key (to me). We don't get that from the latest tidbit. I personally don't think AJ was in that work van, because, JMHO if she was, there would have been and arrest by now.

LE has what seems like a pretty good circumstantial case, but they also have a lot of time, and they will use it to get DNA evidence or something else that tells a complete story if possible.

Regarding why police didn't find her right away, I recall the first visit to the house was after dark the prior evening. The next day they returned early in the morning, and it makes sense they would begin in the woods. It only took them 2 hours to find her, so considering how slowly and methodically they worked their way over to behind the house, this is pretty good time. Also consider (I'm going to get graphic here, my apologies in advance) ground debris and a possible grave. By this time AJ would have been darkened and near-skeletal, which blends in with ground cover, and if she was unclothed may have made it harder to see. I don't think it was a case of a bright pink headband being missed on a fleshy body laying there.

 

[Happyshoes]

I think Wes took her (or lured her?) to his hotel room, promise of money or drugs? Would being lured somewhere be considered abduction? My other thought is that he came over there and got in an argument with her. Why would he take her? I don't think it would be because he wanted to get back at Jen, that's just too cruel. I think he wanted to be with AJ, maybe had gotten coke for her before, but that's just me. I am curious about that note saying Wes was her real father. Why not Zach? What was the falling out between her and Zach? I don't think this is what got her killed, but something sure did. It seems to me Wes had just graduated from coke to heroin and chose to share that with her that day. If he didn't do that, he had to take her by force to his hotel, inject her with heroin, hoping for a death. Then kept her phone to make the necessary texts until he could blame somebody else (CF). He's paranoid about Tim Moran and even Drew and tries to act like the leader to a group of people as a father who is so hurt. People fell for this. He needed time; maybe he didn't mean for her to od and he came back to the room and found her that way. I have no answers about the gun and ammo, scales, etc. Just what he was doing in life, I guess. How could he not know the GPS in his work truck would give him away. So which truck did he take her to the house in - the red truck or the work truck? I'm all over the place tonight but I've got company from out of town and am doing this on the sly.

 

[Ontario Mom]

LE has what seems like a pretty good circumstantial case, but they also have a lot of time, and they will use it to get DNA evidence or something else that tells a complete story if possible.

Regarding why police didn't find her right away, I recall the first visit to the house was after dark the prior evening. The next day they returned early in the morning, and it makes sense they would begin in the woods. It only took them 2 hours to find her, so considering how slowly and methodically they worked their way over to behind the house, this is pretty good time. Also consider (I'm going to get graphic here, my apologies in advance) ground debris and a possible grave. By this time AJ would have been darkened and near-skeletal, which blends in with ground cover, and if she was unclothed may have made it harder to see. I don't think it was a case of a bright pink headband being missed on a fleshy body laying there.

The thing that gets me is, in 2 days, it will EIGHT months to the day, that AJ went missing. Almost 6 months since they found her discarded like trash, at the house in Franklin. Over 6 months Wes has been in custody on "un-related" charges. I know certain things in an investigation take time, but they've had more than enough time to run DNA samples, get results back, examine all digital data, etc. I just have a hard time believing the labs are that backed up, but I know in some cases it's taken over a year to get DNA results.

It's all very frustrating for those of us (which is really all of us) wanting justice for AJ.

 

[Globalgabby]

I think Wes took her (or lured her?) to his hotel room, promise of money or drugs? Would being lured somewhere be considered abduction? My other thought is that he came over there and got in an argument with her. Why would he take her? I don't think it would be because he wanted to get back at Jen, that's just too cruel. I think he wanted to be with AJ, maybe had gotten coke for her before, but that's just me. I am curious about that note saying Wes was her real father. Why not Zach? What was the falling out between her and Zach? I don't think this is what got her killed, but something sure did. It seems to me Wes had just graduated from coke to heroin and chose to share that with her that day. If he didn't do that, he had to take her by force to his hotel, inject her with heroin, hoping for a death. Then kept her phone to make the necessary texts until he could blame somebody else (CF). He's paranoid about Tim Moran and even Drew and tries to act like the leader to a group of people as a father who is so hurt. People fell for this. He needed time; maybe he didn't mean for her to od and he came back to the room and found her that way. I have no answers about the gun and ammo, scales, etc. Just what he was doing in life, I guess. How could he not know the GPS in his work truck would give him away. So which truck did he take her to the house in - the red truck or the work truck? I'm all over the place tonight but I've got company from out of town and am doing this on the sly.

This is an honest question, Happyshoes, not meant to be snarky. Your theories repeatedly include AJ being a drug user. I have this idea very, very low on my list of possibilities. I know that Zach made the comment, long ago, which he has explained thoroughly, and early in the case, many of us wondered if it could be a possibility. But at this point in the case, even with the heroin OD, the idea of her actively seeking coke or heroin from WH is way off my radar. Do you have specific reasons to keep this idea high on your list of theories? Is it some reason you cannot discuss here? I do appreciate your contributions. Thank you.

 

[katydid23]

This is an honest question, Happyshoes, not meant to be snarky. Your theories repeatedly include AJ being a drug user. I have this idea very, very low on my list of possibilities. I know that Zach made the comment, long ago, which he has explained thoroughly, and early in the case, many of us wondered if it could be a possibility. But at this point in the case, even with the heroin OD, the idea of her actively seeking coke or heroin from WH is way off my radar. Do you have specific reasons to keep this idea high on your list of theories? Is it some reason you cannot discuss here? I do appreciate your contributions. Thank you.

I am not answering for Happy, just for myself and what I saw on her SM.

I looked through her SM , going back a year or so. I saw nothing that made me think she did heroin or hard drugs. I saw a regular, 'normal' college girl who appeared to like partying in a well adjusted way. I think she enjoyed Beer pong, a few hard drinks now and then, some pot occasionally, and MAYBE, on special occasions like New Years Eve, she might have experimented with more hardcore party drugs. But she was an athlete and a good student so I don't believe she got high very often at all. JMO

But I do believe that she might have been interested in him buying her alcohol or weed for her Spring Break.

 

[Globalgabby]

But I do believe that she might have been interested in him buying her alcohol or weed for her Spring Break.

Maaaaaybe this. But from her own stepfather? (home for SB, I could have done this, but never from my stepfather). I also saw "normal" college girl when looking at her SM and friend network. "Hardcore party drugs" did not seem to be any part of her life. Her profile: Good grades, seemingly healthy social/friendship relationships (although it did seem like most of her good friends were guys, but .... whatever), sports, good college, f’ed up home life, but a family that loved her and raised her to be successful.

I know some 17 - 21 year old college kids - some from Norfolk - who have said that there might be pot at parties, but they don't often see people doing coke, lsd, and certainly not heroin. These days, when kids talk about people "doing drugs," they often don't include casual, occasional pot smoking in their definition of "doing drugs" --- "doing drugs" is much more hardcore. So when her friends said on SM that she didn't do drugs, I believe them. Her relatives have said she didn't do drugs. It would be understandable if they were lying to protect her reputation, but I don't think they are lying. Unless I have missed it, I don't know of any evidence or rumor/gossip that she was likely to experiment with hard drugs.

I realize we should not have blinders on and should consider many possibilities, but based on her profile, and based on WH’s odd behaviors, and based on the LE evidence that is clearly mounting against WH, I do not think that AJ willingly ingested or shot up heroin. Period. For those who continue to include this in their theory of what happened, I wish they had some reason they could share for why they believe that she was seeking or using drugs with WH. And in the morning!

If we are working on the theory that something happened that resulted in her death on the morning of March 2, tell me what kid home from college tries to get drugs from her stepfather before ten in the morning? Many wouldn't even be up at that hour.

I wish I had something smart to contribute to this forum, as so many do. But I don't. I pretty much just read and think and marvel at everyone's attention to detail and deductive reasoning. The drugs theory just grates on my nerves and I had to say that.

 

[Ontario Mom]

This is an honest question, Happyshoes, not meant to be snarky. Your theories repeatedly include AJ being a drug user. I have this idea very, very low on my list of possibilities. I know that Zach made the comment, long ago, which he has explained thoroughly, and early in the case, many of us wondered if it could be a possibility. But at this point in the case, even with the heroin OD, the idea of her actively seeking coke or heroin from WH is way off my radar. Do you have specific reasons to keep this idea high on your list of theories? Is it some reason you cannot discuss here? I do appreciate your contributions. Thank you.

The thing is, there's a lot we can't discuss here, so we don't (well, most of us anyway). There's a lot that has been disclosed in this case, not by MSM or LE, but by sources that have to be considered "rumor" (because it takes place on SM) but are really really hard to ignore, you know? Is any of it true? Is all of it true? Are there a bunch of seriously twisted wackos associated with this case? Who knows, none of it can be verified so it's good it's considered rumor and that we don't discuss it here because it truly detracts from the established facts (which is tough in this case, since LE has been so tight-lipped on what those actual facts are). Unfortunately, it also colors our vision because once you see/hear things, it sticks in the back of your mind. This is often true in many cases, not just this one.

moo.

 

[mpnola]

Am I the only one that finds it VERY suspect that these "LE sources" remain unnamed and that they only released information to one station? Wouldn't they be transparent about who they are and free with the info, if it was something they were willing to discuss? I am not sold on the credibility of the "source" yet, so I would be hesitant before believing these "details" fully yet. Thats just my opinion.

 

[Happyshoes]

This is an honest question, Happyshoes, not meant to be snarky. Your theories repeatedly include AJ being a drug user. I have this idea very, very low on my list of possibilities. I know that Zach made the comment, long ago, which he has explained thoroughly, and early in the case, many of us wondered if it could be a possibility. But at this point in the case, even with the heroin OD, the idea of her actively seeking coke or heroin from WH is way off my radar. Do you have specific reasons to keep this idea high on your list of theories? Is it some reason you cannot discuss here? I do appreciate your contributions. Thank you.

Nothing specific and not to sound like I know something of this case, just in my mind, I think she might have wanted to do a little something on spring break. I don't think she was a user (like daily) but I wouldn't be surprised or think any less of her if she did experiment. Now that we know it was heroin, I wonder if she was injected against her will or if she thought she would try a little (maybe someone told her it was coke, not heroin...??). I don't know, but I wish she had beaten the crap out of whoever messed with her.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Am I the only one that finds it VERY suspect that these "LE sources" remain unnamed and that they only released information to one station? Wouldn't they be transparent about who they are and free with the info, if it was something they were willing to discuss? I am not sold on the credibility of the "source" yet, so I would be hesitant before believing these "details" fully yet. Thats just my opinion.

I think it was deliberate, strategic and quite brilliant, actually. I don't care who the LE source is, but I am impressed with their technique. The station would have *never* run that piece if it wasn't 100% credible. If they did, they may as well have all been wearing t-shirts that said "sue me, please".

 

[DexterMorgan]

But wouldn't wes had simply said she found drugs in his room and took some but od while he was at work. So why did he do all the running around for months and disposing bodies and clothing and setting people up. People would be more understanding of a reported accident than all of this. Jmo. A father wouldn't have handled an accidental od like this. Jmo. It was more nefarious intent on his behalf before the acute heroin poisoning took place.

 

[Dockins]

Regardless if AJ was using or not, she deserved much more than being left to decay at an abandoned house. Even if it was accidental, a phone call could have given her the dignity in death she deserved. It happens all the time, so I changed my opinion that this was an intentional overdose. My sister had a bf die from an OD this year, and a call to 911 is so easy if you have nothing to hide. Poor AJ, she deserved so much better.

 

[margarita25]

Question, and sorry if this has already been addressed:

A hair test could indicate if there had been heroin usage in the past, and if so when, right? Does anyone know if such a test has ever been conducted, and if so what were the results? Tia.

 

[mpnola]

I think it was deliberate, strategic and quite brilliant, actually. I don't care who the LE source is, but I am impressed with their technique. The station would have *never* run that piece if it wasn't 100% credible. If they did, they may as well have all been wearing t-shirts that said "sue me, please".

Well, you have more faith than I do. I follow lots of cases and this is not the way information comes out, generally. Sue them for what? They can claim someone said they were a source, and they just reported the information they received. I don't think there is a crime in that.

 

[Museumgirl]

Regardless if AJ was using or not, she deserved much more than being left to decay at an abandoned house. Even if it was accidental, a phone call could have given her the dignity in death she deserved. It happens all the time, so I changed my opinion that this was an intentional overdose. My sister had a bf die from an OD this year, and a call to 911 is so easy if you have nothing to hide. Poor AJ, she deserved so much better.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I cannot give credence to AJ finding her own way there. So someone attempted to conceal her body, those are not the actions of an innocent person.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Well, you have more faith than I do. I follow lots of cases and this is not the way information comes out, generally. Sue them for what? They can claim someone said they were a source, and they just reported the information they received. I don't think there is a crime in that.

It's more confidence than faith, really. I agree with you about how this is not the traditional way to release information but, I have no question the news station validated this source and it was approved to be released by the Norfolk PD. And, clearly, it was deliberately done this way for a reason. As far as legalities go, I suspect there'd be all sorts of things the station could be sued for (on both sides of the family as well as the police department) if they normally reported lies as facts, or information that wasn't vetted as accurate from the source (in this case, the Norfolk LE investigating this case). Sure, tabloids do it all the time, but local news stations don't generally do that and remain on the air.

moo