West Mesa Murders Q&A Thread

Discussion in 'West Mesa Serial Murders' started by bessie, Jul 1, 2015.

  1. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Post a question, receive a reply.

    Here's how it works. You post a question, and another member quotes your question and posts a reply. When a sufficient reply is posted, your post is removed so as not to invite further responses, and to prevent repetition.

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    Q: When were the remains first discovered?

    A: Early February, 2009

    "Bones from six bodies have been uncovered in the desert west of Albuquerque during the past two weeks, and police said Tuesday they were likely put there by one person."
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29247408/#.VZNnPkaJvY8

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  3. CriminalMinds

    CriminalMinds New Member

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    thought I should share this post and the poster's comments--I posted on the LISK forum as well--voice sounds a little similar to the message left for that investigator out here about a "NINA"

    https://youtu.be/WpM5No4cUzs

    Published on Jan 24, 2015

    This is a recording of a man who lived in Shirley NY. at the time of the long Island serial killings. This man beat me nearly to death and raped me. He sent me this message after I tried to report him. Is this the same vioce that called Amanda, Melissa Barthelemy's sister? If so I know the killers name.
     
  4. Danse_Macabre

    Danse_Macabre Registered User

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    Did any of the West Mesa victims have social media sites and, if so, were they “friends” with any of the other victims? Did they have friends in common, particularly male friends?

    Does anyone remember a story about a missing woman found on tribal land about the same time as the WM victims, and do we know her name? It was a federal case, and not much was published about it. She was not linked to WM.
     
  5. CriminalMinds

    CriminalMinds New Member

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    I believe it was Sonia Bernadette Lente
    -disappeared 0ct 3, 2002--last seen leaving casino on Isleta Pueblo land with a man--solved by an internet sleuth that matched police sketch to doe network description
     
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    I have started this process and started with Cinnamon Elks. I have not found any for her yet.
     
  7. the seeker

    the seeker New Member

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    Out of all the victims found on the Mesa, who had the most recent missing date? IOW, who do we think was the last to be killed?
     
  8. vegasdee

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    The most recent missing date was Michelle Valdez. Her lka is 9/22/2004. However, we don't know when Syllania Edwards went missing or even arrived in Albuquerque. From the dateline special, apd has her alive in July 2014 in Denver.
     
  9. Danse_Macabre

    Danse_Macabre Registered User

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    Hi Everyone,

    We're hoping you can answer a question about Joseph Blea. We all know that the piece of evidence tying Blea to the burial site was a plant tag from a nursery where he was a regular customer.

    What was the name of the nursery?

    Thanks in advance for for your help,

    Rachel and Josh
     
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    the seeker New Member

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    It was a nursery in Vacaville California that supplied to retail outlets in Albuquerque. Havent found the actual nursery name yet.

    Here is the link stating the plant came from Vacaville California; other sources just say it was purchased from an Albuquerque nursery. I swear I saw the actual name of the nursery somewhere, I will keep looking. Maybe I was mistaken.

    http://www.abqjournal.com/597107/news/is-joseph-blea-tied-to-west-mesa-killings.html
     
  11. Danse_Macabre

    Danse_Macabre Registered User

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    TheSeeker, thanks so much for your help. We've never been able to find out the name of the nursery, which is why we're reaching out. It's frustrating when you think you've seen something and you can't find it again. It's like forgetting the name for something you use every day!
     
  12. Batman's Mommy

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    There are two wholesale nurseries, per Google, in Vacaville:

    Morningsun Herb Farm

    Palm Island Nursery Outlet

    This nursery:

    http://www.lemurianursery.com/shrubs.htm is also located in Solano County and carries a variety of Juniper shrubs in 5 gallon containers.

    The Spearmint Juniper is also called the "Spartan." This nursery sells it as such.

    http://www.davewilson.com/home-gardens/where-to-buy-dwn-trees/retail-nurseries-california#solano

    This is all I have found, so far.
     
  13. Kell1

    Kell1 Verified law enforcement

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    Few questions if you don't mind

    From what i've read these victims worked the streets correct, none that we know we're working as escorts when they disappeared?

    If so were they all working the same area before they disappeared?

    Was a cause of death ever listed ?

    Were they bound ?

    If so , with what ?

    Was anything taken from the victims that LE is aware of ?

    Id be interested in any maps that show where the victims were found as well as where they were working when they went missing, if that's available .
     
  14. LR1

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    Kell1 Verified law enforcement

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    Familiar with dump site, most likely lives or works (or lived or worked) near the area where the bodies are found

    May be dealing with more than 1 killer

    Will have a history of violence against women , most likely sexually violent

    Known to frequent prostitutes, therefore prostitutes should be interviewed in the area these girls frequented, to see if any of them had been assaulted before.

    His vehicle will most likely be well maintained , but the mileage will reflect his constant forays out to pick up women (high mileage)

    *Investigative consideration: In some areas there are what are called "bad date" Sheets (Project SAFE etc..)which are lists where sex workers voluntarily submit reports of bad encounters they have with Johns, give personal and vehicle descriptions, as well as where and what happened and what the "date" entailed, and what the John stated verbally before and during.

    Look for any reports of John's who assaulted victims primarily any who attempted to strangle women, and any repeatedly matching descriptions of such individuals.

    This offender is extremely comfortable in the area the bodies were found, it takes time to dig a grave and bury an adult, yet to do it multiple times in the same area, on what appears to be just on the outskirts of town

    Victimology:

    Victims are all prostitutes, which severely elevates their risk of encounter, due primarily to lifestyle , which is highest amongst prostitutes who are working the streets, slightly lower amongst "Call girls" and Escorts

    To the offender they are extremely low risk , which tells us a few things about our offender

    Low level of sophistication, chooses "easy" victims, MO may be nothing more than agreeing to a date or flashing money.

    May produce a weapon initially to force victim compliance , this may include driving the victims to where their bodies were found , then assaulting and killing the victims there where he has an established level of comfort . Most if not all victims were strangled, which also gives some insight into the offender personality, hes "hands on"

    At the outset of his crimes there was most likely a triggering event that started everything off (legal, money intimate etc.)

    Assaults(murders) most likely take place in or near the suspects vehicle once he has a victim, therefore he may have taken precautions , IE disabled door locks and or windows , however a secondary crime scene (residence etc..) cant be ruled out , but I feel its unlikely

    Motive: Could be a number of motivational factors , primarily anger

    Why did he stop (or did he ?) , could be one of many things
    -Dead
    -In prison
    -Physically or mentally incapable
    -Operating in another area
    -Its also possible (though rare) he no longer had the urge to continue, as sometimes they do stop.

    One more thing , hes most likely known to LE already
     
  16. Danse_Macabre

    Danse_Macabre Registered User

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    Great detail RichKelly! Thanks. You bring up a lot of valid points and many we've looked into. We just got back from our 4th stint in ABQ and have spoken to many involved. Can't wait for the show to come together and have websleuthers see it. Still uncovering interesting facts on the case.

    Best,
    Rachel & Josh
     
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    Kell1 Verified law enforcement

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    Welcome. I apologize I only went with what I read linked here , there are other possibilities as well, but from whats listed thats the best I can do barring any other info
     
  18. Mims

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    Im not sure where else to post this, but today is 7 years since the first body was discovered. Ladies, you are not forgotten. I am sick that their families have never received justice on this.
     
  19. Padron18

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    In response to the believe of a serial killer, killing the working girls found in West Mesa is not the work of Serial killer, but the work of the Cartel from Cidad Juarez, Mexico. This is their work, they find working girls because most of them use drugs so they hire them for their US.Citizenship to move the drugs across the border. The Cartel has these girls to bring in more. After one becomes expendable they kill them. They use the I 10, I 40 and I 25 to move their goods. Also it's a known fact that the Cartel will hold girls who have worked for them. They will Place a Price on them and contact their parents or closest relative and tell them to pay up within a certain time limit or they will not see them again. That is how the Cartel Operates.
     
  20. k9handler

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    I watched the next show where the team located possible burial sites, but were unwilling to dig them up. Are there no cadaver dogs available? Using a dog doesn't disturb the ground but would give you an idea of whether or not the scent of human decomposition is in an area.
     
  21. Tavagirl

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    I've just noticed.....all the places they are covering on the show seem to have one thing in common......dysfunctional police departments. It seems the major cities that hey have covered with these serial cases have police departments under investigation or uncooperative with joint agencies to solve cases. Maybe the serial killers are choosing their killing ground s based upon this thinking the dysfunctionality of the agencies will aid in there being able to get away with their crimes. Long shot but just something I noticed.
     

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