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Discussion in 'Elisa Lam' started by four_seasons, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Userid

    Userid Well-Known Member

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    It seemed like you were saying initially that she was running from a person (or a thing, but of course my mind immediately thought you meant a person) when you said "like I said It's been awhile since I was following this but my feelings are still she was scared, something had her running and I think she hid in the water tank." That's fine, I probably misunderstood your initial post.

    But I still have to disagree that she looked "scared" in the video. Could she have gotten scared later (i.e. sometime after the elevator video) from some imaginary entity that was only real to her, which forced her to hide into the water tank? Sure -- anything is possible and certainly her mental state could have been the catalyst for fright -- but where we differ is that the video itself doesn't support that, on it's own. But just like fright could have led her to enter the tank, depression could have just as easily been the culprit also; or curiosity; or adventure; or indifference -- there is just no way of knowing, even with the video evidence.

    I do agree that she was suffering some sort of bi-polar episode. That is easy to determine, based on the fact she wasn't taking her meds properly. Although I will say this: her behavior in the video wouldn't have been all that odd to me, if she would have been found alive and if the information about her meds was never released to the public. Even people with no emotional/psychological problems do strange things when they think they're alone.

    This was definitely a tragedy and if her blog is any indication, EL was a brilliant and profound girl who was lost way before she ever should have been.
     
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    Tuffgong Active Member

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    My question is why does anybody think this is anything other than a suicide? There is no other plausible theory?
     
  3. Userid

    Userid Well-Known Member

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    It's either a suicide or an accident. Those are honestly the only two probable theories. I lean toward accident. In either scenario, she got in on her own accord.
     
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    I would accept a simple cause of death like suicide, mental disorder or accident if it weren’t for the approximate 54 – 55 seconds of footage that appears to be missing from the elevator video, and the time stamp appears to be blurred out, with the footage slowed down. There are just too many suspicious unexplained variables and loose ends.
     
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    Userid Well-Known Member

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    That footage is missing in order to conceal the identity of other patrons of the building -- who had absolutely no connection to this case and were innocent bystanders -- who just so happened to enter the elevator during that time. This is standard police protocol when it comes to protecting the identities of innocent bystanders.

    The time stamp isn't blurred out; it's just crappy reception of a crappy elevator camera of a crappy hotel.

    This is a simple piece of advice: there is a lot of garbage out there that is trying (either purposefully or ignorantly) to perpetuate the notion that this is some "mystery." It isn't. Don't buy everything you hear.
     
  6. ripley666

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    Do you have any sources supporting that the footage was altered to conceal identity of bystanders? I’m happy to accept it if that’s the case but I haven’t found any evidence.
    As the video was taken at night it seems unlikely there were many people around, also it appears the elevator doors weren’t closing and that only a minute is missing so I doubt somebody else entered the elevator.
     
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  7. Userid

    Userid Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, but you'll have to dig around the threads in this forum. It's definitely here, I just can't remember which particular thread, and I don't have the time to scrounge for it and it was discussed long ago. Just a few tidbits: it wasn't even past midnight, so to say that's "late" is a bit of a stretch, especially for a large hotel that was part hostel, in the second biggest city in America and arguably the most popular, tourist-wise.

    I'll give it the old college try to find the source; if I find it, I'll reply, but like I said, just scrounge around here.
     
  8. Userid

    Userid Well-Known Member

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    So, I just realized that, I could just use the source you yourself provided: The Elisa Lam mystery: Still no answers | Daily Maverick

    "The innocent explanation could be that police to enable the public to see Lam better for identification purposes, slowed the footage down and that less useful footage – perhaps of an unrelated elevator passenger – was edited out."

    But I am still trying to find the source that was provided in this forum when the story broke years ago, as it was a better source, if memory serves. I believe it was a LA newspaper article where the police actually say that is why part of the video is removed. Perhaps that may be unsatisfactory, if one thinks the police are involved in some huge conspiracy to cover up the death of a random Canadian college student. But I'll try to find it if I have time; no luck yet.
     
  9. Userid

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    So I've been combing threads, yet can't find the exact source, although I did find this (another poster mentioning it, with me responding) from a while back:

    What Do You Want to Know?: List Questions Here

    There is also a video that shows a tourist accessing the roof via the "alarmed" door, where the alarm doesn't go off. You'll see that referenced a lot here; and the source should be here somewhere.

    I really am sorry that I can't provide the direct sources; it's just been a very long time since those sources have been found.
     
  10. ripley666

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    The LA police already had already provided the public with clear identification for Lam when they distributed her photograph on February 6th, releasing the video 8 days later. It doesn’t make sense that they would edit out 58 seconds of an already short video for not being useful. It also doesn’t seem likely that within 58 seconds a person went around Lam, entered the lift, managed to close the doors, used the lift, and then the lift returned to Lams floor.
    It’s all complete speculation anyhow whether you prefer the innocent explanation or non. I’d prefer much simpler explanations but this isn’t exactly a simple case
     
  11. Userid

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    I don't understand why you'd say that. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation why the 58 seconds was removed: because people who had nothing to do with the disappearance had entered the elevator. I don't know where you getting that the people who entered "returned to Lam's floor." There's no way in knowing where the 2 guys took the elevator once they got on; they could have traveled one floor either way for all we know.

    Also, the video was released by the police because, they were completely clueless as to what happened to her. Yes, they released the photo, but that didn't garner any tips, so they had to release the footage; so they did so. The video shows exactly how she looks -- clothes, etc. -- and is a much better tool to use than one lone picture, obviously, so I don't really get the point you're trying to make there either, respectfully.

    It isn't speculation that 2 men got on. That was reported.
     
  12. Julie61

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    I have some questions, possibly repeating a few already on here, for which I apologize in advance.

    1. Let's say I am Elisa Lam. I want to kill myself. I'm in my hotel room. What is the least likely means of suicide I would choose? In the nighttime, in the dark? Probably deciding to go through an alarmed (or at least marked as such, whether the alarm really sounded or not I as Elisa wouldn't have any reason to doubt) door to the roof, then once up there, not jump off the roof, not take an overdoes of my meds and then jump off the roof, but to see there are four what seem to be inaccessible cisterns up a ladder, and decide that I needed to climb up there, figure out how to open the top, figure out how to get into the cistern, and then get in there, close the lid (I'm still not clear if the lid was open or closed), take off all my clothes in the water, and drown myself. Really? And don't say "oh she had a mental illness" cause I just don't buy it. Far far too complicated.

    2. Let's say I don't want to kill myself. I'm bored and exploring alone, at night, in a seedy LA hotel. Where would I probably avoid, in general? The roof, the giant cisterns, etc, etc.

    3. I think this next one is a big question that a lot of people have asked, but really, it needs to be asked again. Why did the LA police release the elevator video? What on earth purpose could it serve? It doesn't help find a missing person, doesn't help with the investigation, I honestly can't imagine why that was released. And along with this question, why didn't they release other surveillance videos from the hotel and the streets around the hotel? I mean, as long as they're releasing videos, why not show them all?

    4. I read that the autopsy stated that there was no trauma to her body that would have indicated a struggle. That seems off. From what I've read about drowning, the body would have a lot of trauma, from thrashing around and trying NOT to drown which is what drowning people do.

    5. It seems very odd that no one has ever provided any kind of interview with the roommates who had Elisa in their room before she "acted odd" and got moved to a private room. How do we know they even existed, or that such a complaint was made? Everything feels like hearsay. The only people who seem to have ever been interviewed from the hotel were those who were asked about drinking the water, in those kind of sensationalized t.v. news reports. Where are the missing roommates?

    That's all for now. Thank you!
     
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    1. You're assuming the suicide (if it was such) was pre-planned. This most likely was not a pre-planned event at all.

    2. The roof is the first place I would go, if I was feeling adventurous. Have you never snuck on a rooftop at a hotel? This is quite common, especially in a big city, where the view would be spectacular.

    3. They released the video in order to get the public's help in finding EL. And yes, it does help; and is beyond common among police departments. It's not like LAPD was the first one to ever release a video of a missing person with the intent to garner the public's help. And they didn't release any other videos, because there are no other videos; she went from the elevator to the tank, and they wanted to release video of what she was last wearing.

    4. This is a bit anecdotal on your part. There was zero trauma: scrapes, bruising, cuts, wounds, etc.

    5. Why would police release that interview? You question police in releasing the video, but then question why they didn't release their written interviews? That would not have helped them find her at all, but the video, which shows what she looked like the last time she was seen, certainly would. The police is clearly concerned with protecting their identities; they did the same thing when they edited part of the video, when other patrons of the hotel (not in any way connected to the disappearance, but who were simply staying there) entered the hotel -- to protect their identities.
     
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