PagingDrDetect
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Considering that Wood said (at first) after the Karr news broke that the Ramsey's themselves gave his name to LE years ago as a possible suspect and Karr's previous attorney says that LE mentioned they were looking into him back in 2001, yeah, there seems to be a connection. Why JR has been all over the news claiming he never heard of the guy says something, especially when his own attorney has directly contradicted him.Originally Posted by SuperDave
Wendy Murphy thinks there might be a connection, doc.
No, this was a purposeful thing LE was doing as part of their "mystery" killer probe into Karr once Tracey alerted LE. And I seriously doubt that they would conduct such a probe so stupidly. I also sersiously doubt that they would be so insensitive to let the possible killer of the Ramsey's child contact them directly.Originally Posted by JBean
I thought that the Ramseys just forwarded any and all emails or info to LE. So I just deduced they gave the Karr information to LE originally, without even considering it themselves. I would guess they got all kinds of information from nutcases and just passed it on without really reviewing it. Probably some nasty stuff came their way.IMO, that is how the info would have gone from Ramsey to LE without Ramsey being aware of Karr in particular.
I didn't, my boss at the time did. I can't say very much about where or how I came by this information because it might reveal too much about who I am personally (which I won't do on the internet), but more importantly, I think there's a client privilege factor there that I'm not certain how I fit into even though I don't work there anymore. There was probably an attorney/client privilege issue for my boss, but maybe not... I really don't know. I asked my boss about it, and he said he took care of it (meaning he alerted who would have needed to know), and told me he couldn't discuss it any further with anyone, and not to ever bring it up again. To be clear, the two people we heard this from were technically not his clients, but clients of the firm, and technically it was information we shouldn't have had to begin with... but one can't close one's ears voluntarily.Originally Posted by julianne
If you have spoken or had dealings with people that convinced you that they have seen firsthand kiddie pornographic photos of JonBenet, I trust you have notified LE in those people's cities, as well as the Boulder DA??? After all, child *advertiser censored* is not only disgusting, it is ILLEGAL, and with this being such a high profile case, I am sure they were extremely interested in any information you could provide regarding these people. Have you informed them of this? If so, what was their response? If you haven't informed them, WHY NOT??????
Edited to Add: I don't mean to sound confrontational AT ALL. It's just that I have never heard somebody say they were convinced that people they have spoken to have SEEN *advertiser censored* pics of JonBenet. To me, that is STUNNING, and since these people gave you information that led you to believe that they have viewed these photos, you are obligated to report this, morally & legally.
I think I may have already said too much about that, but I'll let it stand. I left that job about a month later (and I had only been there a few months anyway) since I'd gotten a much better one outside of the city and never saw or heard from that old boss again. Besides, I HATED criminal defense.
See above.Originally Posted by narlacat
This is the first I've heard of kiddie *advertiser censored* pics of JBR getting around the net.
You sound like you know people who are into kiddie *advertiser censored*.
Like Julianne says, have you reported this??
To be VERY clear, these were people that I would have given anything NOT to have been in even the same state with (and I felt that way about most of the clients). There was really no doubt that criminal defense was not for me, and I learned that within the first week of working there... however, I also needed a paycheck. Unfortunately, doing criminal defense forces you to have to deal with the absolute DREGS of society. As far as I'm concerned, I would have been more than happy to lock up every single client that walked through the door that I had the distinct displeasure of being forced to deal with and the keys encased in cement and dropped into the center of whatever is the most shark infested waters on the planet.
Any more sick than the theory that the Ramsey's garroted and blugeoned their own child? Any more sick than some perverted intruder breaking into the Ramsey's house and garroting and bludeoning a strange child? Any more sick than the recent SNUFF FILM theory? EVERYTHING about this case is sick! Everything we talk about this case is sick. That fact that we're all so interested in it is actually pretty sick. Certainly, it's not anywhere NEAR as sick as what happened to that poor innocent child. Not even in the same realm.Originally Posted by 13th Juror
Yes, "no idea what-so-ever" .. that would definitely be my opinion. Back to the drawing board!
I'm not going to reprint or even address any portion of the sick & perverted scenarios that you've presented here.
Really Sick Stuff, PagingDrDirect!
There's PLENTY of unsubstantiated rumor that has no basis in fact all over this site. Did you miss all the unsubstantiated rumor that has no basis in fact spread about by the media since day one of this case? What about all the unsubstantiated rumor that has no basis in fact spouted by Smit who should have known better since he was actually supposed to be trying to solve the case instead of kissing the hind ends of the Ramsey's?Originally Posted by 13th Juror
PagingDrDirect - if you have "a verifiable source for your stated rumor" then you should post it rather than spread garbage & innuendo that has "no foundation" or basis in fact.
Incidently, has it every crossed your mind how the pedo ring theory first came about? Think on that some.
Wow! Thanks for that link. I hadn't heard about this before. I had heard about pedo ring theories but didn't know about anyone that came forward about it.Originally Posted by Trino
This is NOT a *advertiser censored* picture but info about a woman Boulder LE interviewed about *advertiser censored* parties. I think this is where the rumor originated.
Here's another article, perhaps a better explanation.
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ra...99/25arams.html
I have a hard time believing a pedo ring theory mostly because the physical evidence doesn't even support one intruder much less more than that. And I admit that it's so completely gross I don't want to believe it.
See above. Brooke Sheilds' mother had no problem whatsoever about using her 10 year old daughter kiddie *advertiser censored*. Nude photos, especially suggestively posed ones, of children IS kiddie *advertiser censored*. Besides, there IS some basis in fact. JBR was repeatedly molested... ALL the experts said so based on the autopsy results. SOMEBODY was molesting that poor child!Originally Posted by Maybe So
I agree with you I don't believe any story that the Ramseys were allowing their child to be molested or used for kiddy *advertiser censored*.
I believe that forums are for discussion and speculation but speculation should at least have some basis in facts.
Edited to Add: You have to agree that IF there were *advertiser censored* pics of JonBenet on the internet, they most certainly wouldv'e been out in the public eye by now.
As for them being spread all over the tabloids... think about that. HOW? Karr being in possession of child *advertiser censored* photos didn't work out too well for him, did it?
I'm still not seeing this as some kind of crime by a pedo ring... the physical evidence just doesn't support it. Unless... whoever was involved were known to the Ramsey's, considered friends, and cleared. But I just have a really hard time believing the Ramsey's were involved in a pedo ring. What my theory suggests is something more along the lines of the Brooke Shields nude photos that her mother had a photographer take of her when she was 10... nude or soft *advertiser censored* (nude but suggestively posed). I'm not saying that the Ramsey's would have ALLOWED their daughter to be molested, more like they left her alone with the photographer and he did it, and they suspected with good reason but allowed it to continue. Or maybe they thought it was just (God, I HATE to use the word "just"!) inappropriate touching or "bouncing" on the knee type of thing. ICK. Obviously, the Ramsey's had a very different idea of what they considered appropriate for their six year old daughter than most people... who knows how far that may have extended. One of the biggest reasons the media pounced on the Ramsey's is because of the inappropriateness people felt about how she was dressed in those pagents. It was the very FIRST thing that made me raise my eyebrows about the parents.Originally Posted by blond1
This article in crimelibrary has a similar take:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorio...ar/index_1.html And I am leaning toward this idea.
Or, maybe Karr has some hard copy photos in his possession that weren't circulated on the internet -- maybe he was part of the ped ring and he DID see what happened -- maybe he was the one (or one of a couple people) chosen by the photographer or pedophile group to return the body to the house.
Those Brooke Shields photos were taken in 1975 and publically came to light after she became a teenage child star. Good thing for Brooke THAT photographer wasn't a creepy child molester. Her mother defended her allowing to have those photos taken loudly. Considering what the Ramsey's did to their daughter dressing her up like a tart, I wouldn't find it surprising that they wouldn't have had a problem going further than that. There's video footage of JBR performing in pagents doing the booty bounce dance move, which I wouldn't like to have seen her doing if she was a teenager, and slipping out of a jacket and displaying her bare back like a stripper. TOTALLY inappropriate for a SIX year old CHILD.
I thought about that, but I doubt it. I got this information in around '97 or so. I'd have to find a copy of an old resume to be sure exactly when. In any case, it was during the time of the big media campaign about the case. I don't know how sophisticated photo imaging was then. It could be, but considering who the people were that I heard this from, I doubt it. They were both emensely disgusting pedo PIGS, PIGS, PIGS. (Sorry, I'm not yelling at you, but the memory is just getting me steamed). They sounded pretty sophisticated about child *advertiser censored*. Incidently, they both imagined they were perfectly normal upstanding members of the community with absolutely no idea and no apparent understanding of how incredibly GROSS and offensive and WRONG they were.Originally Posted by 2luvmy
Couldn't there be pronagraphic pictures of JonBenet out there? Seriously, with all the photo imaging software out here and JB being in the public eye with the pageants, there could quite possbily be photos out there that pedos have doctored even if the Ramseys didn't have anything to do with child *advertiser censored*. I can see a pedo coming across something like this and being obsessed with JB.
Wooo, sorry, I'm burning under the color about these swine, so I better shut up before I really let fly.
Thanks, you-know-who, for reminding me about this thread. Seems like I can never get passed the first handful on the first page. Does anyone even GET to the ones that slipped to page 2?