What Shirt Was JB Wearing When She Was Killed?

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What Was JB Wearing When She Was Killed?

  1. A RED Shirt

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  2. A WHITE Shirt

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  1. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me New Member

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    DoI, pg 10 (paraphrased- Patsy talking) Sometimes we'll put the kids still wearing their pjs in the car so they can resume sleeping on the plane.
     
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  2. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    icedtea4me,
    This is an example of the R's backing their Version of Events up with anecdotal fact. We need independent verification, just to make sure the R's are not fabricating a false life-history.

    e.g. did JR's pilot ever state seeing the kids in their pajamas?

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  3. kaykay543

    kaykay543 Well-Known Member

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    This was not the statement I read. The one I read she said that she sometimes dressed them in clothes (not pajamas) at bedtime so they could just get up and leave for a trip in the morning. But like you said its hard to take anything they say as fact. It did make sense to me as I did it quite a few times when going on vacation with my kids.
     
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  4. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me New Member

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    If you were Patsy and you knew that your child was a bedwetter, would you dress them in clothes for the next day?
     
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  5. kaykay543

    kaykay543 Well-Known Member

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    I think she would because it was late. I suspect by the time she was getting them ready for bed was much later than their normal bedtime. I know PR said she would put her to bed and then wake her up again to go to the bathroom so that she wouldn't wet the bed. So maybe since it was so late she assumed she wouldn't wet the bed?

    In my mind there has to be a reason why PR said she put her to bed in the red shirt and then later changed her story. I feel like the first statements give were more truthful than the later changed versions. But I could be wrong! I also do not believe JBR was asleep when they got home. I do believe BR that she was awake and walking up the stairs.
     
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  6. Cottonstar

    Cottonstar Well-Known Member

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    John Ramsey stated that he read to both Burke and JonBenet before they went to bed. JonBenet never slept that night.


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  7. Cottonstar

    Cottonstar Well-Known Member

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    I found the episode in which Kolar postulates about Patsy removing the red sweater that JonBenét was wearing that night when they returned home from the White’s. Start listening around the 25:00 mark to hear the context of what Kolar was talking about. At 26:12, is his slip/or recall from his memory(take your pick), about the red sweater.

    http://d1at8ppinvdju8.cloudfront.net/5/086/show_5086091.mp3?cId=20df8919-6dd5-45d5-91f7-1553e652ad53

    If link fails, it is from the Aug 5, 2013 episode of Tricia’s True Crime Radio.

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    Cottonstar,
    Thanks for the link. Its one I already have so I'll play it shortly.

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  9. UKGuy

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    Cottonstar,
    OK I listened starting about 23 min in. Kolar suggests JR carries JonBenet to her bedroom from the car, then he just leaves her assuming, as per Kolar, that Patsy will finish off dealing with JonBenet, JR takes a Sleep Aid and retires to bed?

    Patsy serves Burke pineapple then heads upstairs to deal with JonBenet where, as per Kolar, she takes JonBenet to the bathroom and Strips Off the red sweater?

    All plausible, except Kolar does not tell us who dressed JonBenet in the red sweater, maybe I missed something?

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  10. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    Her bladder released at death.
     
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  11. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    The bladder empties at death.
     
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  12. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    Who does this? Definitely causes pH problems. Let alone scaring one's soul forever. Douche and mother do not go together.
     
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  13. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    Seriously, do we think a male detective knows what a douche is? I don't think females since the 60's know. It is a great idea though. Awful for the natural body though.
     
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  14. Tadpole12

    Tadpole12 Well-Known Member

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    Ya, definitely try and keep 'good clothes' from being saturated with urine for hours.
    Dress for bed in clothes that are easy to wash, color fast and durable.

    wrt the red turtle neck sweater, would JBR have worn it over the white shirt and black vest, under her coat?
     
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    @26:12

    JK: But my thought is that Patsy went upstairs
    That she, uhm, after serving pineapple to Burke
    That she went upstairs to get Jonbenet up
    She roused her, got her off the bed
    Got her into the bathroom, that's where
    she stripped off her red sweater, and left it on the
    on the counter there
    In the crime scene photographs you see that there is a tooth brush and tooth paste out ...
    there's a photograph of the toilet which
    appears to have been used as well ...
    I don't think she ever got into the nightgown
    as, although instructed by Patsy. ...
    But by that time she's up, she's alert, she's awake
    and she's hungry. ...
    so that juncture she goes downstairs.
     
  16. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    From what I can gather the blow to her head went down from above and from behind her. It looks like she is confronted violently from the front and grabbed by the shirt and choked. She gets free then is hit from behind with the flashlight in the kitchen. The rest is staged. I am not seeing how a toilet, tub, or sink injures this way unless you turn her upside down and hit her head. I think she was redressed to remove evidence/present her in case found. I don't think they planned for her to be discovered. All this to me especially timing wise says a terrible accident and awful cover-up. I don't think anyone went to bed that night and the event shortly occured after getting home.
     
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