What's eating you alive re this case?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by madeleine, May 31, 2012.

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what would you like to know?what's bugging you?

  1. who did it

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  2. why he/she/they did it

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  3. how did it happen

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  1. BB71

    BB71 Well-Known Member

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    So you don’t think he’s guilty? What’s your theory?
     


  2. Swirlz

    Swirlz Well-Known Member

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    I think we're dealing with a fairly typical fatal child abuse scenario, not significantly unlike the hundreds of others that occur every year and that the perpetrator was, as it almost always is when a child is killed in the home, a parent.
     
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    Those interviews of Burke as a little boy were almost too painful for me to watch. The questions were brutal in my opinion. I saw a typical little boy just doing the best he could under stressful circumstances.

    The police detective and later on the mental health professional who conducted those interviews both concluded that Burke had no knowledge of or information about JonBenet's death.

    All I saw on Dr. Phil was a young person who was extremely shy and trying to be polite. I get it that other people interpreted it differently.

    Try watching interviews of John and Patsy. In one John mispronounces JonBenet's name.
     
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    (Deleted duplicate post. My apologies.)
     
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  5. BB71

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    Quite possibly. I looked at the statistics for crime committed by those with autism. While the number of assaults is higher, homicide is not. However, people on the spectrum are not always charged for their crimes.
     
  6. Userid

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    BR was never diagnosed with autism and/or being on the spectrum. Nervously smiling in a TV interview doesn't make him autistic.
     
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    This is not a question for me. I am not sure how to prove it from an evidenciary standpoint. He went to a special school, he does not associate with people directly for work. His wife seems
    like she takes care of him, is protective. Whether innocent or not, he is understandably camera shy after this traumatic event. Someone said he was acting like a normal kid in interviews after his sister’s death. Why isn’t he upset?
    If parents were abusive, why hasn’t Burke mentioned it?
     
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    If it's not a question for you, why do you keep implying it (that he was autistic) with no real evidence?

    What "special school" did he go to?

    He doesn't "associate with people from work" because he works remotely.

    Children process traumatic events differently than adults. The fact he wasn't bawling after his sister's death in an interview (I stress, an interview -- not behind closed doors) means absolutely nothing.

    We don't know that his parents were abusive, but if they were, do you really need to ask? It's obvious he wouldn't want to admit it publicly if he and/or his sister were abused by his parents.
     
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    From Steve Thomas' JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation (paperback, pg 88)

    Referring to John Ramsey:
    A family trait maybe?
     
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  10. Cottonstar

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    Where do you get stuff like this?
     
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  11. BB71

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    I will attempt to substantiate at a later date. The golfclub was in a dramatization perhaps, but murder weapon was something like it. May have been in interior photos of Ramsay home. It may have also in the acct (story/book) by one of the officers on scene.

    The other points have been addressed elsewhere.
     
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    Mike Helgoth's possible participation in this case.
     
  13. Userid

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    One thing that has always bothered me: the broken glass in the train room.

    I don't believe in the intruder theory, but the small piece of glass that was found on the suitcase underneath the broken window -- that puzzles me still.

    JR's explanation of why that glass was broken doesn't make sense, as he said he had to take his pants off and enter through there months back because he locked himself out -- but if that window was broken the night JBR was murdered, and whatever broke it was removed from the window well (a toy, etc.), how would the cobwebs still remain? There have been conflicting reports (from two documentaries I've seen) saying that leaf debris was somehow "manipulated" in the window well. Assuming that it was manipulated by one of JR and/or PR, again, how was it manipulated without disturbing the cobwebs? The only way would be if it was manipulated from the grate access outside; not from inside.

    I remember hearing about a psychic that said she strongly felt JBR's presence in that window well area; that's always stuck with me.

    I wonder if JBR broke that window that night, and that is why JR lied about it. He needed to distance the window from the police because it was key to what happened that night.
     
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    The glass was found and put on the suitcase by FW. You have to remember that this family was not a neat and clean family by any means. I find it totally plausible that there was still broken glass on the floor from the window being broken over the summer. IMO the window is a big red herring and has nothing to do with the murder
     
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    Source please? I thought glass was placed on the window ledge; not the suitcase.

    You could be right about the window being a red herring, but I just never brought JR's explanation of how the window was broken. Why would he lie about it, if it wasn't important to lie about?
     
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    Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, by Lawrence Schiller, Excerpt
    BBM: Bingo !


    JonBenet : Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation by Steve Thomas, Excerpt
    John Ramsey patently visited before Fleet White as Fleet White left the suitcase aligned perpendicular to the wall which is different to that of John Ramsey !

    This is an occassion where a change in the forensic evidence was helpful as John Ramsey was ignorant that Fleet White had already looked into the wine-cellar and never saw JonBenet !

    Suggesting John Ramsey felt confident enough to create his own agenda or to us Smoke & Mirrors regarding stuff found in the basement?

    IMO John Ramsey is continually tweaking and amending the basement evidence to suit the prevailing theory.

    In other words he is verbally adding to the staging, I think the professionals term this as Framing these days, e.g. Donald Trump calling out Crooked Hillary, cue chanting: Lock Her Up, etc.

    John Ramsey continues this tactic to the present, consider Dr. Phils claim to Burke Ramsey that your father used the flashlight to put you to bed.

    You might argue he does it for the ratings and the litigation payback opportunities, but he was doing this before he left the house the day JonBenet was found.

    Because he has skin in the game and wants to preserve his reduced reputation, consider the Republicans rejecting him for running, just what was he thinking? He must have thought my money can buy me anything, but they sidelined him, he is now Persona Non Grata in US moneyed society, no better that OJ, both generating revenue from media interviews.

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  17. Cottonstar

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    Holy wow userID! Tremendous insight you’re on the right track!
     
  18. UKGuy

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    Cottonstar,

    It seems as if JR might be amending a prior staging where the broken window and the suitcase were intended to play a role, along with other items later distributed about the basement, e.g. Bloodstained Pink Barbie Nightgown?

    That JR could have moved JonBenet into the wine-cellar during a later visit is simply a continuation of this behavour?

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  19. Userid

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    Thanks everyone, but now I'm even more confused. After FW moved the suitcase, there was still glass that was found atop of the suitcase -- how would that be possible, after it was moved? There was a shard of glass still atop of it; there's a photo somewhere of it. You would think that little shard would have easily fell off when that case was moved. So is it possible it fell there after the case was moved?
     
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  20. UKGuy

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    Userid,
    Maybe Fleet put it there on his second visit, or John moved it accidentally at some point.

    From memory it was Lou Smit who speculated about the shard of glass on the suitcase, suggesting it arrived via the shoe of the intruder as he came through the window.

    In the same interview, with JR, he pointed out the packing peanuts on the floor and said some were also found on the wine-cellar floor, get that?

    Meaning where are the glass shards in the wine-cellar, even JonBenet's bedroom?

    It seems pretty obvious JR is trying to explain away a prior staging, why else do we have a father keeping silent about a broken window on the morning he discovers his daughter kidnapped?

    IMO its the alignment of the suitcase that matters not the shards of glass, since we expect the latter, i.e. breaking windows is messy, knowing what Fleet White said matches up with the forensic evidence tells us JR is simply making stuff up, and playing Lou Smit like a violin.

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