Where are the 2 LITTLE GIRLS seen with PG?

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  1. Billylee

    Billylee New Member

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    Women, not a woman. Did Nancy live in back too? Is that an error by the reporter or is that what she said "women"?
     


  2. anthroamy

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    Perhaps because the oldest daughter is so tall she mistook her for a grown woman?
     
  3. SunnieRN

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    It could have been the younger childrens Mother also. If someone emulated pg they could have kept someone the same way pg did.
     
  4. kbl8201

    kbl8201 Former Member

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    is it just me or is nothing being done by any law enforcement agencies about possible other missing children?
    i have not been able to get in contact with my LE contact either.
    sigh
     
  5. anthroamy

    anthroamy New Member

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    I went through this thread as well as google and have tried to make a cleaned up list of sightings of the two little girls. It goes like this:
    #) URL to source(s)
    Person's name, relationship to the Garridos, and the date of the sighting if available. Relevant quote.

    Sightings that seem like they could possibly be the two girls, but not for certain, as well as ones from less reliable sources are listed further down as "Possible Sightings".

    Feel free to add or correct.

    Sightings:
    1) http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_13223494?IADID

    Patrick McQuaid, Neighbor, Summer 2009: “The next time he saw children near the Garrido house was this summer, when he saw two young girls riding in Garrido's car. Though the two children Dugard allegedly bore with Garrido are 15 and 11, McQuaid said the children he saw in Garrido's car looked younger — closer to 8 and 10 years old. He took note of it, he said, because he knew Garrido was a registered sex offender. “


    2) http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleVie...en with Alleged Jaycee Kidnapper/Default.aspx

    Wayne Thompson, Former Barber, No Date: “"He just came in for his haircut and he had two other little girls with him," Wayne Thompson told KRON 4's Maureen Kelly. "I would say maybe around six or seven years old, maybe a little younger. I don't know who they were. I thought they were neices or something like that.” Thompson has seen Starlit and Angel also, and is certain these children are not them.


    3) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...apper-linked-murders-prostitutes-girl-15.html

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/BAT219F97H.DTL


    http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infom...n&feed:c=localnews&feed:i=48929843&nopaging=1


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

    Erika Pratt, Neighbor, Called 911 Nov. 30 2006: “They had just moved into their house, Robinson said, when Pratt called him at work one day. She had been showing their new home to a girlfriend, he said, when they peered into Garrido's yard. Pratt "told me, 'They've got tents. There are people living back there. Little girls,' " Robinson recounted.”
    and
    “Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.”


    Possible Sightings:
    1) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

    Tim Allen, Customer, No Date: “Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he told KCRA 3.”


    2) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

    Steve Conteras, Customer, April/May 2009. “Three or four months ago, Conteras said Garrido brought one of the girls with him. "When we discussed the cards, she was playing by herself with an imaginary friend. Now I know she was 11. She acted like she was six or seven."”


    3) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

    Anna Rivera, Neighbor, No date but article states she is a "newer resident": “"I did see two little blond girls. I thought they were his granddaughters.”


    4) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

    Dale and Polly White, Neighbors, No Date: “During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."”


    5) http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/67369

    Unnamed Source, No Date: “"One of the girls had long blonde hair and appeared to be about 7 years old. The other girl had dirty blonde or light brunette hair and was around 6 years old," the source said.”


    6) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-09-garrido-bones_N.htm?csp=34

    Unnamed Source, No Date: “Lee said investigators are looking into reports that Phillip Garrido was seen before his arrest with two young girls who were not the daughters he fathered with Dugard.”
     
  6. time

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    Wonderful!! Thank you anthro!
     
  7. my2sisters

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    I think we need a thread just for these important posts, so we don't loose them. Anthroamy?
     
  8. anthroamy

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    Per my2sister's request, I've started a new thread to keep track of these important names and dates. Please post links to other sightings and I will try to update this periodically. Thanks 2sisters for the suggestion.
    ***

    I went through this thread as well as google and have tried to make a cleaned up list of sightings of the two little girls. It goes like this:
    #) URL to source(s)
    Person's name, relationship to the Garridos, and the date of the sighting if available. Relevant quote.

    Sightings that seem like they could possibly be the two girls, but not for certain, as well as ones from less reliable sources are listed further down as "Possible Sightings".

    Feel free to add or correct.

    Sightings:
    1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...apper-linked-murders-prostitutes-girl-15.html

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/BAT219F97H.DTL


    http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infom...n&feed:c=localnews&feed:i=48929843&nopaging=1


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

    Erika Pratt, Neighbor, Called 911 Nov. 30 2006: “They had just moved into their house, Robinson said, when Pratt called him at work one day. She had been showing their new home to a girlfriend, he said, when they peered into Garrido's yard. Pratt "told me, 'They've got tents. There are people living back there. Little girls,' " Robinson recounted.”
    and
    “Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.”


    2) http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_13223494?IADID

    Patrick McQuaid, Neighbor, Summer 2009: “The next time he saw children near the Garrido house was this summer, when he saw two young girls riding in Garrido's car. Though the two children Dugard allegedly bore with Garrido are 15 and 11, McQuaid said the children he saw in Garrido's car looked younger — closer to 8 and 10 years old. He took note of it, he said, because he knew Garrido was a registered sex offender. “


    3) http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleVie...en with Alleged Jaycee Kidnapper/Default.aspx

    Wayne Thompson, Former Barber, No Date: “"He just came in for his haircut and he had two other little girls with him," Wayne Thompson told KRON 4's Maureen Kelly. "I would say maybe around six or seven years old, maybe a little younger. I don't know who they were. I thought they were neices or something like that.” Thompson has seen Starlit and Angel also, and is certain these children are not them.


    Possible Sightings:
    1) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

    Steve Conteras, Customer, April/May 2009. “Three or four months ago, Conteras said Garrido brought one of the girls with him. "When we discussed the cards, she was playing by herself with an imaginary friend. Now I know she was 11. She acted like she was six or seven."”


    2)http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

    Tim Allen, Customer, No Date: “Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he told KCRA 3.”


    3) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

    Anna Rivera, Neighbor, No date but article states she is a "newer resident": “"I did see two little blond girls. I thought they were his granddaughters.”


    4) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

    Dale and Polly White, Neighbors, No Date: “During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."”


    5) http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/67369

    Unnamed Source, No Date: “"One of the girls had long blonde hair and appeared to be about 7 years old. The other girl had dirty blonde or light brunette hair and was around 6 years old," the source said.”


    6) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-09-garrido-bones_N.htm?csp=34

    Unnamed Source, No Date: “Lee said investigators are looking into reports that Phillip Garrido was seen before his arrest with two young girls who were not the daughters he fathered with Dugard.”


    7) http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13231478

    Haight Man, People's Park Resident, No Date: "A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there. "He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man." "He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind.""
     
  9. anthroamy

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    Done:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90996"]Sightings of the Two Little Girls Seen with Phillip Garrido - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    Thanks for the suggestion!
     
  10. songline

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    bumped......
     
  11. Billylee

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    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13231478

    A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there.

    "He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man."

    "He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind."
     
  12. JBean

    JBean Retired WS Administrator

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    No Discussion=No Discussion

    This is a reference thread for listing information.

    Thanks
     
  13. anthroamy

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    For some reason I can no longer edit post #1 to add sightings to it, so I'm reposting this to add the sighting in post #4.
    ****

    Sightings:
    1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-girl-15.html

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAT219F97H.DTL


    http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo...843&nopaging=1


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...garrido-speaks

    Erika Pratt, Neighbor, Called 911 Nov. 30 2006: “They had just moved into their house, Robinson said, when Pratt called him at work one day. She had been showing their new home to a girlfriend, he said, when they peered into Garrido's yard. Pratt "told me, 'They've got tents. There are people living back there. Little girls,' " Robinson recounted.”
    and
    “Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.”


    2) http://www.contracostatimes.com/sear...13223494?IADID

    Patrick McQuaid, Neighbor, Summer 2009: “The next time he saw children near the Garrido house was this summer, when he saw two young girls riding in Garrido's car. Though the two children Dugard allegedly bore with Garrido are 15 and 11, McQuaid said the children he saw in Garrido's car looked younger — closer to 8 and 10 years old. He took note of it, he said, because he knew Garrido was a registered sex offender. “


    3) http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView...r/Default.aspx

    Wayne Thompson, Former Barber, No Date: “"He just came in for his haircut and he had two other little girls with him," Wayne Thompson told KRON 4's Maureen Kelly. "I would say maybe around six or seven years old, maybe a little younger. I don't know who they were. I thought they were neices or something like that.” Thompson has seen Starlit and Angel also, and is certain these children are not them.


    Possible Sightings:
    1) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/...parole-officer

    Steve Conteras, Customer, April/May 2009: “Three or four months ago, Conteras said Garrido brought one of the girls with him. "When we discussed the cards, she was playing by herself with an imaginary friend. Now I know she was 11. She acted like she was six or seven."”


    2) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...garrido-speaks

    Tim Allen, Customer, No Date: “Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he told KCRA 3.”


    3) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/...parole-officer

    Anna Rivera, Neighbor, No date but article states she is a "newer resident": “"I did see two little blond girls. I thought they were his granddaughters.”


    4) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/...parole-officer

    Dale and Polly White, Neighbors, No Date: “During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."”


    5) http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/67369

    Unnamed Source, No Date: “"One of the girls had long blonde hair and appeared to be about 7 years old. The other girl had dirty blonde or light brunette hair and was around 6 years old," the source said.”


    6) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...s_N.htm?csp=34

    Unnamed Source, No Date: “Lee said investigators are looking into reports that Phillip Garrido was seen before his arrest with two young girls who were not the daughters he fathered with Dugard.”


    7) http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13231478

    Haight Man, People's Park Resident, No Date: "A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there. "He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man." "He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind.""


    8) http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/th...en-garrido-and-series-of-prostitute-killings/

    Richard List, People's Park Resident, No Date: "“He came through People’s Park a number of times with homemade sandwiches and bottles of water,” said longtime street artist Richard List. “He hurried through, with two little girls with him. He talked of God and handed out his stuff to homeless people.”
     
  15. anthroamy

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    http://www.news10.net/news/pdf/Garrido-parole-report2.pdf

    From page 31:
    According to records prepared by the
    parole agent who supervised Garrido at that time, the parole agent went to Garrido’s residence on June 17, 2008, to perform a periodic face-to-face visit. Present at the house with Garrido was his wife, his mother, and a 12-year-old female. According to the parole agent’s notes, he questioned Garrido about the young girl. Garrido replied that the girl was his brother’s daughter.


    Note: I realize 12 is too old to be one of the two young girls, but I would like to have this here for reference as it shows that Garrido was in the company of unidentified young girls.
     
  16. cindysue

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    Couldnt that been one of his daughters?
     
  17. anthroamy

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    CindySue, just FYI this is a reference thread and not for discussion :)

    However, as you and another WSer have pointed out, it is definitely possible that this girl could be Angel. Many of the "Possible Sightings" are probably Angel and Starlit. I re-watched the press conference, though, and the guys were very ambiguous about the 12 year old. They said that her identity at this time is unknown, so until we get a more concrete answer I'd like to have this here for reference.
     
  18. kbl8201

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    bumping this thread up cause somehoow it slipped to the middle of page 2.
    hopefully i will have so useful info soon.
     
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    Any news KBL?
     

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