Where Should Boulder Police Start?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Maikai, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. Ames

    Ames New Member

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    Credit goes to Rashomon for this post over at FFJ....

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    "I've just watched the 22 p.m. news here in Germany - they have identified the source of the unkown DNA: it is a female worker employed in a firm where the cotton buds were packaged."

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    From Ames...so they have confirmed that the source of the unknown DNA came from a female worker employed in a firm where the cotton buds were packaged. Hmmmm....so to all of you IDI's out there that believe that the Ramseys were completely in the clear because of that little bit of touch DNA that was found....don't start celebrating just yet.
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  2. Maikai

    Maikai New Member

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    Barry Scheck said the DNA is a problem. They found the same DNA under her nails, on at least one spot on her longjohns mixed with JBR's, and recently on the waistband. They tested everyone she had contact with, and no match.

    I think in this case, the DNA is a big problem, and identifies the killer. There may be more that has not been tested...ie: on the cord..the rope...masking tape...cigarette butts(?).
     
  3. Sophie

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    An issue here is that the DNA under JBR's nails may have been days old and she may have transferred it herself when fiddling around with her undies...
     
  4. rashomon

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    IIRC, the DNA under her was too degraded to be compared.
     
  5. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 Well-Known Member

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    There was NO match between the fingernail DNA and anything else. There was never any usable DNA found under her nails, and what was taken was not a match to the DNA in her panties. This is yet another "rumor that is taken as fact" in the case- along with the "pubic hair" found on the blanket that proved to be an forearm hair from Patsy Ramsey. And the "unidentified palm print" found on the wineceller door that proved to belong to JR'd older daughter Melinda.
     
  6. Maikai

    Maikai New Member

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    Sorry, the DNA found in her panties and on the underwear matches. I'm not completely sure on the fingernails, if they had the complete DNA profile.......or just a partial. You may be right on that.
     
  7. Maikai

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    NEW YORK — Crime scene DNA is typically recovered from blood or semen stains, but the DNA that exonerated members of JonBenet Ramsey's family came from invisible skin cells.

    This so-called "touch DNA" is left behind when people touch things, because they naturally shed skin cells that contain the genetic material. In this case, the new DNA was recovered by guessing where JonBenet's killer might have handled the long johns she was wearing.

    "It's not a stain, you can't see it," said Angela Williamson, director of forensic casework at Bode Technology Group in Lorton, Virginia. That's the company that recovered the new DNA material.

    To find such DNA, "you have to have a good idea of where someone has been touched, or in this case, where you think the suspect would have touched" JonBenet's clothing, she said.

    Investigators suggested that somebody pulling down her pants would have touched the waistband and the sides of the long johns, Williamson said. So Bode scientists scraped those areas with a sharp blade to see if they could find DNA.

    While the amount of DNA they found was much less than would appear in a stain, there was enough that it was processed in the routine way for analysis, Williamson said. (In other cases, so-called "low copy number DNA" has to be processed in a different way).

    DNA from two sites on the long johns matched genetic material from an unknown male that had previously been recovered from blood in JonBenet's underpants. The matching DNA from three places on two articles of JonBenet's clothing convinced the district attorney that it belonged to the killer, and hadn't been left accidentally by a third party.

    Williamson said Bode has done thousands of touch DNA recoveries over at least three years.

    John Ramsey found his daughter's body in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, Colorado, on Dec. 26, 1996. A child beauty queen, she was 6 and had been strangled.
     
  8. Ames

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    Dee Dee IS right...the DNA under JB's nails was DEGRADED, as was the DNA found on her panties.
     
  9. Maikai

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    There was enough to get a profile......it's the reason Lacy issued the letter to the Ramseys. The DNA matched on the panties and on the underwear. The nail DNA may have been degraded.
     
  10. SuperDave

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    Darn right.

    If I had a nickel...
     
  11. SuperDave

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    Only after the technology advanced enough to replicate enough of it. Ames is right.

    "reason?" Excuse, you mean.
     
  13. Maikai

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  16. madeleine

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    Don't rely on forensics (fibers,linguistics,DNA).Lee was right.It's too late for that and everything can be thrown out of court because of crime scene contamination.

    Go back and interview all suspects,family,friends,pedo's,employees,...Someone knows.

    This case can be solved,the killer can be cracked ,I am sure,you just have to ask the right questions.Waiting for a dna match or a death bed confession won't solve it.

    But I guess I am talking to the walls...........
     
  17. turtle

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    Who would be good to interview first? Who are your prime suspects now?
     
  18. madeleine

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    I don't have any prime suspects anymore.As far as I am concerned clearing people based on alibis,handwriting and DNA was a huge mistake.That's the point,not enough info on anyone.And if there is info about someone it's not the right one maybe.

    Do it by the book.Family,friends,employees,acquaintances first.Then you have the list of pedo's and sexual predators.Then re-check all the tips.
     
  19. turtle

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    Good thinking. They will never do it. Oh I would like to know more of the past history of some of those people.
     
  20. madeleine

    madeleine Well-Known Member

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    I know................guess it's just wishful thinking.......
     

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