Which FLDS Rumors do you believe

Discussion in 'FLDS Raids and Related Items' started by RainbowsAndGumdrops, Jul 9, 2008.

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What do you believe about the FLDS? You can choose as many answers as you want to.

  1. The CPS raid was excessive

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    13.1%
  2. The CPS raid did more harm than good

    11 vote(s)
    8.5%
  3. The CPS raid did more good than harm

    47 vote(s)
    36.2%
  4. CPS should continue to monitor the FLDS

    111 vote(s)
    85.4%
  5. There is no abuse inside the YFZ ranch

    2 vote(s)
    1.5%
  6. Abuse is limited to a few isolated cases inside the YFZ ranch

    5 vote(s)
    3.8%
  7. The men are the only abusers in the YFZ ranch

    9 vote(s)
    6.9%
  8. The women are the only abusers in the YFZ ranch

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. The men and women are abusers in the YFZ ranch

    79 vote(s)
    60.8%
  10. Waterboarding exists

    39 vote(s)
    30.0%
  11. Babies are killed, sometimes due to being born with disabilities

    57 vote(s)
    43.8%
  12. The children have had excessive broken bones due to abuse

    44 vote(s)
    33.8%
  13. Lost boys are kicked out of the the ranch with no where to go

    111 vote(s)
    85.4%
  14. women always get to choose who they marry

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. women sometimes get to choose who they marry

    14 vote(s)
    10.8%
  16. women are assigned to a husband but can say no

    13 vote(s)
    10.0%
  17. women are assigned to a husband and have no choice

    102 vote(s)
    78.5%
  18. spouses and children can be taken from a husband and reassigned

    98 vote(s)
    75.4%
  19. generally speaking, men only have sex with people they are "married" to

    26 vote(s)
    20.0%
  20. any girl may be raped at any time

    33 vote(s)
    25.4%
  21. the women generally feel free

    13 vote(s)
    10.0%
  22. the women generally feel forced into their situations

    58 vote(s)
    44.6%
  23. the education system is sufficient

    5 vote(s)
    3.8%
  24. the FLDS are using silence to protect known abusers

    113 vote(s)
    86.9%
  25. rumored abuse aside, the FLDS lifestyle has many benefits for those that choose that lifestyle

    9 vote(s)
    6.9%
  26. The FLDS environment is generally peaceful

    15 vote(s)
    11.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. RainbowsAndGumdrops

    RainbowsAndGumdrops New Member

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    None of us really know what is going on inside the FLDS compound that was raided. Opinions on this case seem to vary widely and I think that it based on which stories you believe. I want to know what stories/rumors you believe.
     
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  3. Ciara

    Ciara New Member

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    Good thread idea Rainbow:)
    I'm not sure of everything I believe yet but...

    I do believe the stories from The Lost Boys.

    I do believe that some under age marriages go on.

    I do believe for definate that underage sex between older men and young girls goes on.

    I do believe the women and kids dont have many choices....

    and I do believe all the above is just wrong.

    Everything else, I am not sure about yet.
     
  4. RainbowsAndGumdrops

    RainbowsAndGumdrops New Member

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    This may be the longest poll ever created, but I tried to hit on many of the topics that seem to frustrate people. I think the results will be very split, but it should be interesting to see.
     
  5. Ciara

    Ciara New Member

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    I think the Poll is a GREAT idea and I just voted on all mine. I am glad you started this thread, it should be very interesting.

    I also meant to add to my first post that I do believe that the women and children get re-assigned to other males and that older males sometimes get cast out too just for disagreeing with particular things that go on.
     
  6. Rino

    Rino Former Member

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    The CPS raid was excessive
    The CPS raid did more harm than good
    CPS should continue to monitor the FLDS
    Lost boys are kicked out of the the ranch with no where to go
    women are assigned to a husband and have no choice
    spouses and children can be taken from a husband and reassigned
    rumored abuse aside, the FLDS lifestyle has many benefits for those that choose that lifestyle
     
  7. RainbowsAndGumdrops

    RainbowsAndGumdrops New Member

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    the CPS raid was excessive
    The CPS raid did more good than harm
    CPS should continue to monitor the FLDS
    Abuse is limited to a few isolated cases inside the YFZ ranch
    The men and women are abusers in the YFZ ranch
    Lost boys are kicked out of the the ranch with no where to go
    women sometimes get to choose who they marry
    spouses and children can be taken from a husband and reassigned
    generally speaking, men only have sex with people they are "married" to
    the women generally feel free
    the FLDS are using silence to protect known abusers
    rumored abuse aside, the FLDS lifestyle has many benefits for those that choose that lifestyle
    The FLDS environment is generally peaceful


    Oh yeah, I believe older males are sometimes kicked out or punished by having his wife (wives) and kids reassigned.
     
  8. Details

    Details Former Member

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    Some of those I think are pretty established facts - and I'm glad to see that nearly all agree. Lost boys - that's an established fact. Reassigned wives - since the old husband and the new have come forward and talked about it openly - even if he uses the euphimism of "adopting" the new wife as he takes her children in - I think that's also simple fact.

    Excessive broken bones was a slight fact - a higher percentage than average - but due to abuse, and the exact percentage is a question still. But I know what I believe on that.
     
  9. southcitymom

    southcitymom New Member

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    I like this idea, but had a hard time answering. With the exception of the statements that say only woman are abusers at the Ranch and woman always get the chance to choose who they marry, all of those above statements are true. I believe them all.
     
  10. PSUfan

    PSUfan New Member

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    Great thread! I answered some of the questions, and reserve the right to change my mind. :crazy:
     
  11. TxLady2

    TxLady2 New Member

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    The sad part is, most of the rumors are probably the truth or pretty close to it. They call it a religion, but it is a cult, just like the Branch Davidians was a cult. Jeffs brainwashed his followers, and used his beliefs to rape young girls, it's that simple. NO young girl of 12 should be forced to "marry" an older guy. And I am sure that there were plenty of them who did not go along with it willingly. Some were forced into it.
    I hope this evil man is put away for the rest of his life and is never again allowed to use a phone in order to still run his "church."
     
  12. PAXIMUS

    PAXIMUS Registered user

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    Nothing is "that simple."

    The truth is almost always somewhere in between the choices given.
     
  13. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    Yep!!!!

    I disagree. I think it is THAT simple.
     
  14. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    I was born and raised here in AZ and as long as it has taken for justice to hopefully be served I can see how someone might want to believe that it is not as horrifying as it is, but it is.

    From Carolyn Jessop's Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Jessop#April_2008_YFZ_Ranch_raid
    Jessop arrived on-site Sunday, April 6, in hopes of reuniting two of her daughters with their half-siblings. She stated her opinion that the action in Texas was unlike the 1953 Short Creek raid in Arizona.[15] On April 8 she was interviewed by the NBC Today Show regarding the event, and described life at a FLDS community.[16] Jessop had also been in Texas the prior month at a speaking engagement, where she said, "n Eldorado, the crimes went to a whole new level. They thought they could get away with more" but "Texas is not going to be a state that's as tolerant of these crimes as Arizona and Utah have been."[17]
     
  15. Cracka*Jaxx

    Cracka*Jaxx Active Member

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    "The FLDS environment is generally peaceful"- Probably yes, like a prison camp would be. They don't exactly believe in dissent!
     
  16. Cracka*Jaxx

    Cracka*Jaxx Active Member

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    I haven't heard of anyone freely 'choosing' this lifestyle. I've never heard of women or children from outside the compound actively trying to join this cult.

    From what I know they are brought up in the lifestyle and know no other way to live. It's like if you were born and raised on a desert island and then have someone saying that you 'chose' that life. Even if you lived your life on the island in a small cage, you would be fearful if liberators began arriving on the shore. Of course you would want to remain there because it's the only lifestyle you know. It's human nature to fear the unknown.

    I think just about all of the members- except for Jeffs and his ilk- are afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome.
     
  17. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    But new people do come in.
    I don't know why but I do believe some (even a good many) choose it.

    I'll never understand it.
     
  18. passionflower

    passionflower Just 1 tip to find a killer

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    JMOO......get the children out of there!
    Last night several former members say this group will fast and make the children fast.
    To dangerous!
     
  19. shadowraiths

    shadowraiths LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Special Staff Member Moderator

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    Learned helplessness. Possibly. Though, I'm not even certain that would apply. Stockholm Syndrome def does not apply. That is, it applies to people who have been abducted and come to identify with their captor over a fairly short period (i.e., Patty Hearst). These people were not kidnapped, rather, they were born into a generational sect and raised with a different value system than the rest of society. It's what they know. It's all they know.
     
  20. CathyinTexas

    CathyinTexas Active Member

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    This is definitely child abuse. The women are born for one purpose, to serve men. It is disgusting. Women have no rights! How they can say that a 12-16 year old is a "wife" is beyond me. I read in Carolyn Jessop's book that a child told the CPS that no age is too young to marry, and she said it with absolute certainty. All of this is child abuse, in my opinion. Unbelievable.
     
  21. kantoo

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    from what i have read, they don't just take in people. you have to be born of the group that is there, to keep the bloodline pure (and the inbreeding and all that involves). jmo
     

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