Which is strongest RDI evidence?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Holdontoyourhat, Oct 4, 2010.

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Which RDI claim is easiest to prove?

  1. PR/JR handled the weapons or sexually assaulted.

    8 vote(s)
    4.7%
  2. PR/JR wrote the ransom note or helped to write it.

    113 vote(s)
    66.1%
  3. PR/JR were motivated to hide prior abuse or rage.

    14 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. PR/JR used words or actions that prove their guilt.

    36 vote(s)
    21.1%
  1. Holdontoyourhat

    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Which RDI claim is easiest to prove?

    PR/JR handled the weapons or sexually assaulted.
    PR/JR wrote the ransom note or helped to write it.
    PR/JR were motivated to hide prior abuse or rage.
    PR/JR used words or actions that prove their guilt.

    And how would you go about proving it?
     
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  3. claudicici

    claudicici Active Member

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    ...of course none of it can be proven with what we have or the case would be solved.
    ....but IMO their actions and words are the strongest evidence against them.
    Their action and words make me personally not able to move over to the IDI side.
     
  4. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    I voted the last even if that's not ...evidence.I don't trust LE when making claims re the fibers,I don't trust those handwriting "experts" which say PR wrote the note,etc
    BUT I trust my own eyes and ears and what makes me still have some RDI thoughts are the R's actions&behaviour.
    Does that prove anything?To me yes but you can't take it to a court of law so that means pretty nothing.

    BUT LE CAN exploit it,they can ask questions about why they did or didn't do this and that and IMO it's the only way to get somewhere if RDI....not the fibers,not the handwriting,ask the right questions (which might be too late anyway).
     
  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    To me this is two questions. As to which one is easiest to prove and how to go about it, I said Option Four. To prove it, just read their own words aloud and recount the actions that were taken and not taken.

    As for the strongest evidence, I'd say Option Two. And to prove that, I'd just show those handwriting charts.
     
  6. Holdontoyourhat

    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    my bold

    Hmm. None of it can be proven...wonder why? That is a clue in itself, that at least four separate paths to R guilt are each blocked.

    With four ways for the R's to go down, unable to prove even one? I actually believe there are multitudes of ways for the guilty to go down, not just four.

    But these four seem to be the main ones RDI invests a lot of time in, as if they have a case. I'm glad at least one here has noticed there isn't really a solid case on any front. Why is that? You'd think with amateurs, first-timers who were in fact guilty, that at least one would've panned out especially after all these years.

    Instead now we have this DNA.
     
  7. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    You know the answer to that- we all do. unfortunately, irrevocable mistakes made by LE at the very beginning (the first few hours) tainted the evidence forever. It it were a computer, the message "FATAL ERROR" would appear. Fatal in the sense that the ramifications were final and unalterable.
     
  8. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    The fiber evidence. Forensics don't lie... followed by Patsy's having written the ransom note.
     
  9. SheBoss

    SheBoss New Member

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    I chose not to vote because I can't decide between the note and the behavior. I think I'm with Madeleine though, there's been way too many "expert" opinions on the forensics, but I've seen and read about the behavior with my own eyes and they act guilty. Innocent people have no reason to lie, withold evidence, CYA or in any other way hinder and investigation into their own daughter's death. Period.

    Yes, LE screwed up. Certainly they did. But the Ramseys sure weren't jumping on the bandwagon to help straighten it out.
     
  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    And I'm glad you've brought it up, because there's a reason for that emphasis. This is a good thread.

    To answer that question, I suggest we revisit the "cross-fingerpointing defense."

    Make no mistake: there are these four paths. The problem is they all lead to BOTH, not just one.

    I assert that most other places, it very well would have. That's the key here.
     
  11. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Active Member

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    I couldn't vote either. It's not any one thing by itself, it's the whole ball of wax!
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    That's how I look at it.

    Still, something has to get it started.
     
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    Chrishope New Member

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    The strongest evidence is that there is a dead body and a RN in the same house.
     
  14. txsvicki

    txsvicki Active Member

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    I'd say, maybe, the note being written from a pad and pen still found in the home, and the detectives saying that there's no way Patsy could have just stepped over the ransom note (and left no fingerprints) due to the curve of the stairs. . The pineapple, or fruit, in the proximal small intestine might be a reason if I could ever read anything telling an actual timeline from an expert on digestion. It's always said that pineapple was in the stomach, but it wasn't.


    I'm not sure about the fiber evidence, because of not knowing and remembering exactly what was said, and thinking that technology can't really prove it.
     
  15. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    Hey Vicki! I was reading a thread on FFJ yesterday about that very subject. One of the posters is an x-ray tech who has worked with the digestive system for like 40 years. I'll see if I can find it again for you.
    Becky
     
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    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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  17. Holdontoyourhat

    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    You're right. Everything is right there in the house. And the parents were there too.

    But wait...is there any evidence missing? Lets see:

    1. Blunt instrument. Nobody knows what it was or where it is.
    2. Cord roll from which the ligatures were freshly cut. Gone.
    3. Tape roll. Gone.
    4. Piece of paintbrush. Gone.
    5. Owner of foreign handwriting. Never matched.
    6. Owner of foreign DNA. Also, never matched.
    7. Pedophilia or rage. No evidence of pedophilia or rage.
    So I guess there IS some stuff missing.
     
  18. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    Simply unbelievable...

    Blunt instrument- there were THREE found in or near the house: a gof club (there were several in the house, a bat (found just outside, but Patsy said it LOOKED like one BR had and she said he had a few, the flashlight (to me, the likely choice because it was wiped inside (batteries) and out).

    Remaining cord and tape ARE gone, if they existed, but there were so many opportunities to remove them from the home (including that very night) that alone can't be used as proof they did not come from the house.

    We don't know that the paintbrush piece IS missing. It may very well be in evidence, and we haven't been told. Again, this, like the cord and tape, is a small item and easily fit in a pocket or purse.

    Handwriting at this point has PR as the closest match. Nothing foreign about it. This was a native-born English speaker familiar with the family, and Americans who speak English are very capable of mentioning "beheading".

    Owner of foreign DNA not matched. Correct. Doesn't mean he was the killer.

    I'd day the vaginal abrasion, bleeding and bruising, eroded hymen mean sexual abuse-those who dispute the PREVIOUS abuse cannot in good conscience dispute the abuse that occurred that night. I'd say the skull cracked in half pretty much spells RAGE. Either she was hit (as the coroner thought: blunt force trauma) or she was slammed into a hard surface. NOT fell, not pushed.
     
  19. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm
    This is evidence of acute molestation.

    JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 24. states:-
    And JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 32. states:-
    This is evidence of chronic molestation.

    The two together offer a direct motive for the Ramsey's to enact an intruder staging, not to explain away JonBenet's homicide since that is a done deal, no, its to mess up and hopefully mask the prior molestation. Thats the smoking gun!

    No intruder needs to hide prior molestation, since this is staged as an abduction. Only someone with close access to JonBenet needs to obsfucate the crime-scene evidence, to divert the focus, that this was done tells us this person(s) was fully aware that JonBenet had been a victim of prior molestation.


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  20. akashana

    akashana New Member

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    To me, the ransom note has always screamed "Patsy wrote me!" From the oddly-shaped lower q's to the Southernism, "Don't grow a brain," and the subtler points woven throughout the note, that to me has always been the most glaring piece of evidence.

    This murder was in some ways like "The Perfect Storm" of homicides. From the bumbling rookie Boulder cops who bungled the initial crime scene, to the deluded investigators and thoroughly whipped DA's office, at all stages of the game was the prosecutorial ball dropped. If we weren't dealing with the heinous murder of an innocent child, it would be a comedy of errors. But we are, and it's no laughing matter. JonBenet Ramsey should be a beautiful young woman now, off on a fast-track career path, a new wife, perhaps even a young mother herself. But that sad little girl never got the chance to do any of those things because some blackhearted, sick-minded person stole that from her forever.

    We can't bring the dead back to life, but we can refuse to be silent until justice is meted out. It's all that we can do for her anymore.
     
  21. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Active Member

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    I just had to say....this is a FANTASTIC POST! Thank you! ( just hitting the thanks button wasn't enough)
     

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