Who do you think is guilty? I'm relatively new here and...

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by blueclouds, Oct 24, 2003.

  1. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    No, quite the opposite. In a country like the USA many fibers are generic being industrially produced, e.g. rayon, nylon, etc.

    The shirt JR wore to the White's party had been manufactured in Israel from local wool so its forensic signature is distinct from woolen items available for purchase in the USA.

    So although not unique just different enough not to be found lying about in laundry rooms !

    If the fiber evidence is credible and could be produced in court then it would place JR at the scene of either JonBenet's death or subsequent staging.

    The only other explanation is third party transfer.

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  2. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    AdorableOrca96,
    The thing is an accident does not explain away all JonBenet's injuries, all the abrasions, contusions and the alleged sexual assault, e.g. Digital Penetration and Sexual Contact opined by Coroner Meyer.

    What we cannot know is if JonBenet's murder was premeditated. Depending on how you interpret Kolar's book, he seems to suggest her death was pre-planned.

    It appears someone sexually, then physically assaulted JonBenet leaving her in a coma.

    The important aspect is that nobody calls 911 or requests medical assistance for JonBenet, why would that be, if its all an accident?

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  3. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    Have you seen fibers report?

    The case was not in a court.

    I saw fibers report.

    I know what am I talking about... these fibers are useless...
    It can only add some explanations when you know what happened... RDIs have no idea what happened because their ideas are based on their mental issues.

    no good RDI theory = no staging = the case was, is and will be IDI whatever the murderer team did and will do in the future.
     
  4. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    Did the intruder leave fibers anywhere at the crime-scene?

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  5. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    there were hundreds of different fibers on and near JonBenet.
    She was in the laundry area, she was standing on her feet, dead or alive...

    There were many things around because of electrostatic.

    The only information on and on are a few different types of fibers which BPD were able to suggest are connected with clothes parents were wearing a day earlier.

    I have not seen a report about black wool fibers and how they were connected to the sweater
     
  6. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    The wool fibers were cited in an interview between BPD investigators and JR with Lin Wood present who rejected the admissability of the fibers since he had not had sight of the forensic report, implying BPD were lying.

    If the BPD fiber forensic report was produced during the Grand Jury proceedings then their analysis must be credible, specifically because the wool fibers originated in or around Israel.

    Israeli woolen fibers that float or are transferred by a third party onto JonBenet's naked thighs in the wine-cellar are quite an exceptional event given we are talking Murder here.

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    kaykay543 Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure how to interpret your post. Especially that last paragraph which is offensive imo. I am trying to chalk it up to “cultural differences”
     
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  8. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    you have imagination...

    a book for you:
    "Queer Dirty Laundry"

    I have got it when searching for an interview with Patsy stating the sweater was in the laundry a day earlier.

    All males and their wives would understand an answer "how do I know where it was before I took it from a drawer".
     
  9. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    I am not able to find a source with Patsy talking about John's sweater.
    I may be wrong.
    It could be some 2nd hand speculations.

    It does not change much because the timing and place are not working well with all this fiber crap.

    Boulder, winter and laundry/basement = this information is near useless and can be used as an addition to a theory not as a base to prove any theory.

    If someone does not understand this and is paying close attention to this case (have enough knowledge) he is lacking probably basic scholar education.
    I limited my time spend on this case mostly because I like S-F, not a poetry fantastic speculations because something sounds nice and looks nice like my wife or partner... (I can read "The Witcher" but it is a crap)
     
  10. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    Well thank you. I like your nicely styled prose and excellent grammar which demonstrates you have a good grasp of english.

    Patsy might have said the sweater was in the laundry the day before, i.e. this is their postmortem defense, but JonBenet's longjohns came from JonBenet's bathroom according to Patsy's version of events, and the size-12's had never been washed or seen a laundry, they were clean on JonBenet.

    So why should fibers from John's Israeli manufactured shirt worn that day only be found on clothing worn by JonBenet on that day only after the day when the sweater was in the laundry and after the White's party, e.g. JonBenet wore velvet pants to the party.

    What Patsy is alleged to have said about John's shirt does not explain how the fibers arrived on JonBenet's body, after the White's party and in the wine-cellar, anywhere else, e.g. upstairs and you can suggest cross-transfer, but a murder crime-scene, how so?

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  11. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    The fibers only matter as they place JR at the crime-scene. If the fibers do not exist then JR gets a clean bill of health.

    If the case were IDI you might expect fibers foreign to the house to be found in JonBenet's bedroom and the wine-cellar, have you read about them?

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  12. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    murder crime scene:

    JonBenet room,

    winecellar

    basement, laundry in the basement.

    JonBenet was in the laundry in the basement - fibers from laundry on her body.

    I assumed she was naked moved to a laundry and dressed in the laundry - the reason for the placement of her hands. (1)


    suggesting that a crime scene - winecellar and 1st floor when the Police arrived... typical RDIness.


    and, thank you, yes, I understand irony.
    I was learning passive English for my IT work not to write poems in English.

    *) the placement of her hands = moved to a laundry, dressed, some waiting time = not possible to get her hands down without a knowledge of the professional.

    hands up - most likely to dress her.

    the only other idea = some reason + delay = hands up, she was not put to sleep dressed like that = you have to add some idea of redressing her.
     
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  13. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    these fibers are placing these fibers at the crime scene...

    as I said.

    Have you seen the report?

    how many fibers? what kind of fibers? where exactly?

    these are media information you are posting all the time and for me, it is just a crap.

    [edit] nylon fibers in her bed are more interesting.

    btw. the information "wool fibers from Israeli sweater inside her panties" have no sense = planted fibers or she was wearing these panties for a day long. min sense = wool fibers on her panties and on the internal side of these panties.
     
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  14. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    Atlanta 2000 BPD Interview with John Ramsey, Excerpt
    Atlanta 2000 BPD Interview with Patsy Ramsey, Excerpt
    According to BPD Forensic Analysis as quoted above in both interviews with John and Patsy the fibers exist and have been matched with John Ramsey's Israeli manufactured shirt.

    Not only do those fibers exist as does Patsy's in the paint-tote, we do not have any foreign fibers where we might expect to find them, just Ramsey fibers !

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  15. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    There is a "book" about fibers in this case.

    The Police interview is only showing the style of conversation the BPD was using.

    There was a thread about fibers on Topix but I do not have access to that forum starting the day of "EU GDPR" came into force.
     
  16. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    archieil,
    Sure, but this is BPD Investigators saying the fibers exist and match John's shirt, i.e. that is not me, you, topix or anyone else.

    They matched Patsy's fibers from her jacket to deposits all over the wine-cellar including the knotting in the ligature using the same process.

    Folks on topix are going to claim LEA are lying or the match is poor or there is an alternative reason, that's fine, but it does not detract from BPD saying the fibers found on JonBenet's crotch match his shirt!

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  17. archieil

    archieil On Time Out

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    Do you think I am paid to explain basis to anyone?

    ok. I accepted. You have no idea about the basis in this case and it is enough for me.

    Have you read the book? Does it have anything interesting except one sentence about looking like JonBenet?

    I can go further in these explanations for information about the book.
     
  18. sharkeyes

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    My two cents...I originally thought Patsy somehow caused JB's head injury, e.g. hitting against sink or tub and the rest was an elaborate, staged cover up. However, I am now of the opinion that Burke is involved, maybe hit JB with that flashlight, and the rest is still an elaborate, staged cover up. I do think Burke will eventually break...
     
  19. comingforyou

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    First of all you have to look at who called Lou Smit out of retirement and that is ...D.A. Alex Hunter. The same D.A. who straight up deceived the world into believing that the Grand Jury had NOT indicted the John and Patsy when they had.
    Did the D.A. pass on certain information to Lou Smit. Did he use Lou Smit's credibility to try and convince people of an intruder? Lou had more credibility than Alex Hunter and more than the BPD.
    Lou Smit prayed with the Ramseys. Stood by them till the very end. I'm thinking her knew something none of us were privy to and it had nothing to do with it being an intruder.
     
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    If your child was killed by a burglar would you fight tooth and nail to find out who it was? Would you want to know WHO and not so much WHY? John wanted to know why it happened. Isn't that irrelevant when your child is dead. You find the s.o.a.b. and have them punished. All that matters is justice and getting a murderer off the streets. Ramseys behaviour didn't add. Still doesn't add up. Will never add up.
     

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