Who were the House Guests?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by i_dont_chat, Sep 10, 2006.

  1. i_dont_chat

    i_dont_chat New Member

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    Does any know anything about the house guests staying at the Whites the night that JonBenet died?

    I've always thought it strange that the Ramseys would want Burke to go to a neighbor's home where there were strangers staying.

    In our neighborhood, over 10 years ago, there was a kidnapping (child of 8), and you better believe all of our neighbors made it a point to know EVERYBODY who was new or strange to our block.
     
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  3. Betsy

    Betsy New Member

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    These guests were at the Whites' house the night before, so I'm sure they weren't strangers to the Ramseys...

    Besides, the Ramsey's knew Burke was safe from the bad guys....
     
  4. lilsister

    lilsister New Member

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    Interesting point...would not dismiss this...JMO
     
  5. sandraladeda

    sandraladeda Inactive

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    I think the R's should have been more worried about the FF Kidnappers, who were watching the Rs and who were dangerous enough to threaten beheading, without worrying about the White's house guests....:rolleyes:

    jmo
     
  6. Nuisanceposter

    Nuisanceposter Remembering Little Miss Christmas

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    But how did they know that?

    Obviously these kidnappers knew a good bit about the Ramseys...wouldn't you think they would also know a bit about the Whites, seeing as how they're the closest friends of the Rs? How did J & P know for sure that Burke would be safe leaving their house and going over to the W's house? How did they know the kidnappers weren't there after seeing the Whites arrive at the Rs house (because they were watching the R house - so they had to know the Whites arrived.) Perhaps if there had been a police escort, but there wasn't. I have wondered why the Ramseys didn't request one if they felt they needed to send Burke elsewhere while the drama unfolded. The only answer I can see is that John and Patsy knew Burke would be fine because there was no kidnapper. Same thing with when they sent him back to school - under the questionable lax Burke Watch.

    They knew he was safe from the bad guys because there weren't any.
     
  7. Betsy

    Betsy New Member

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    Yep. Exactly.
     
  8. Solace

    Solace New Member

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    The houseguests were the Whites family and the Ramseys had no problem with Berke going because the killer was in the Ramsey home and was not planning on killing Berke and they knew it.
     
  9. julianne

    julianne Former Member

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    I think that in addition to family, there were many friends of the Whites in attendance. Some of these friends came in from out of state to attend the party.
     
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    Toltec New Member

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    The guests were Priscillas two sisters and their husband/boyfriends. I also believe Priscillas parents were present.

    One of the male guests was sleeping in the family den, watching the movie, "Nick of Time" starring Johnny Depp. Depp plays a father who's five-year-old gets kidnapped by a couple who want Depp to kill the Governor of California who is up for re-election.

    Priscilla and her sisters stayed awake until 2am that night talking.
     
  11. Eagle1

    Eagle1 Former Member

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    Yes, the two guys from California were with some FW relatives, but the question is, why would the women choose men who belonged to a Kali cult?

    If we're going to discuss them, that's a very big point that can't be overlooked. If one googles Kali, you find she's supposed to be a goddess of DEATH, etc. It's impossible to ignore all that, whatever it may or may not mean. If circumstantial evidence is used against one side it's only fair to do the same to the other side. Would Sherlock Holmes give them an automatic pass?
     
  12. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    A stone that was never really turned over in my mind. "Kali" also means "Time". Kali is also the goddess of time as well as death. The RN refers to "time" alot and repetitively. "early, early, early, between 8 and 10".

    Did both men belong to the Kali cult? Was it that they were just into Martial Arts? Perhaps MA led them to Kali.

    Just in case IDI.
     
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    SuperDave Active Member

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    "Would Sherlock Holmes give them an automatic pass?"

    I'm not touching that one.
     
  14. Seeker

    Seeker Former Member

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    I'm interested in where you get the info that these guys were in a Kali cult.
     
  15. Eagle1

    Eagle1 Former Member

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    "Back when" we all discussed the Kali cult, I forget how many years ago, when we googled it no "goddess of time" was mentioned that I KNOW OF. Is this something new that has been added? You have a source, Rupert?

    Seeker, sorry, I couldn't possibly remember who first introduced that info or where THEY got it, so long ago. Don't know if you're one of Jams' members and if she might still have something about it archived. I've never been a member there so I'm not too familiar with the site.

    I think I hear you thinking this could be one of those rumors we've believed. Right? Would think you'd remember it. Who else do we have that might know?
     
  16. Seeker

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    No, I've never been a member over there, never wanted to be either, but esp after the way she posted (more than once) a posters real life info so everyone could see it and harassed that posters employer as well.

    I think whoever introduced that info was simply speculating based on some mind twisted theory of theirs that it was FW and his house guests that killed JBR and that they were pedophiles. I do remember some whacked out theory like that. Didn't pay it much mind because first of all cults don't provide a members list of names.
     
  17. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    Back on another thread I responded:
    "Either the RDI or IDI. Either the RN is collage of throw offs and pleas for forgiveness or deep with vengeful hints about who did it.

    In the hopes of IDI, we have looked for clues in the RN. One thing that stands out to me is the fixation on 'time'. The word "early" is mentioned repetitively. The odd ransom amount of $118k is broken up into $100k and $18k by the $100 and $20 dollar bills, thus suggesting the time of 1:18 am as the time of death. All the instructions about the ransom money seemed to be linked to time and in order for JonBenet to see 1997 (again a time reference), they must "follow the instructions to the letter".

    Now, Eagle1 has stated on this forum that the visitors at the Whites that night were involved in "Kali". I have asked Eagle1 for his reference to confirm this 'fact'. Eagle1 has just replied that he recalled this somewhere on a forum. So, we should be careful of that. If indeed they were involved with Kali, more likely it was the martial arts of Kali from the Phillipines. The Kali cult and the Kali martial arts actually go together as inspirations. The Kali martial arts are the tools and Kali is the goddess. Kali is the goddess of death and rebirth, vengeance, and time and was brought over to the Phillipines from India. Kali actually means "time" in old Hindu.

    So, if IDI, the long note seems overridden with clues and one of them is "time". Even the kidnap crime movie references (Dirty Harry, Speed, Ransom) all have references to "time". Of course kidnaps all have a sense of "urgency".

    Now, before the RN was made public, one of the visitors noted that the movie played that night at the Whites was "Nick of Time" which involved the kidnapping of a 6 year old girl. In fact the clock shown in the movie flipped from 1:18 to 1:19 just as the victim woke up. If the victim had not woken up at that "Nick of Time" (1:18), the victim would be dead. Unfortunately for JonBenet, time did not stand still and she met her fate. Note also, the father was being set up in that movie. If I got the inkling that it was a set-up ("inside job" as JR said), I sure as hell would get lawyered up. It's all there. Watch the movie for yourself.

    On the other hand, these could just be coincidences and the Steve Thomas theory is the answer. I too am wary of the defensive twists and turns ("obfuscation" as Bluecrab calls it). However, I still don't get why there would be so little blood loss for such a head injury. Also, I find it difficult to believe that a mother with no prehistory commits a premeditated strangulation (Seraph: Psalm 118 binds the cords to the alter"). I wish there was one thing that could help me decide which of 3 things happened."

    Now, I wonder what those guests of the Whites have been up to since?
     
  18. narlacat

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    It really is another strange coincidence in this case that the 'Nick of Time' was playing that night.
     
  19. Eagle1

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    Quoting Rupert,

    "Now, Eagle1 has stated on this forum that the visitors at the Whites that night were involved in "Kali". (No, I wouldn't know if they definitely were, so either I didn't say that or didn't mean to sound like I knew that. And BTW, I think I've introduced myself already as a grandmother, not a Ms or a he. Hi again.) )

    " If indeed they were involved with Kali, more likely it was the martial arts of Kali from the Phillipines. The Kali cult and the Kali martial arts actually go together as inspirations. The Kali martial arts are the tools and Kali is the goddess. Kali is the goddess of death and rebirth, vengeance, and time and was brought over to the Phillipines from India. Kali actually means 'time' in old Hindu." (Okay if you say so unless some proof comes up that it doesn't mean that. Maybe googling would bring up clarified versions which say that.)

    Yes there are many very very strange coincidences in this case and maybe that should be thought about a little. It was obviously planned out for a while, to have so many clues contradicting each other so that so many could be suspect. Maybe the gossips' planned intervention after Christmas would have prevent this kind of power play actually going down, or maybe not. Were they just a bit jealous and wanting to control PR and JBR?

    Seeker, I hardly ever go there either, and I never wanted to join either, just didn't know if I'd seen you there in any of my few visits. I don't personally know of them ever saying FW and his guests did it. So many of the friends could have been suspect in some ways as maybe complicit. Don't know. I keep saying I have no fave theory, Rupert. I sure wasn't there. Liked your thread about why might there be a gov't coverup. I don't keep up with Karr any more but noticed there's been more bungling, in Ca., his computer lost.
     
  20. Eagle1

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    Quoting Rupert just in case this reading the thread again and quoting it PROVES that I didn't say the Ca. guests were definitely Kali members or did it. Just refreshing our memory.
     
  21. Eagle1

    Eagle1 Former Member

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    Probably none of the rest of us know anything about this, but I'm curious as to who it was. Is the member still there?
     

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