Why doesn't anyone think it could've been John.

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Swirlz, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    10ofRods,
    Nice post! You hit on some really important info. The head bash, then the strangulation (linear)! The zonked out cold JB arriving home; yet able to consume pineapple from PR or BR hand. Same hands on her Barbie nightgown. The midnight scream sure to awake the “sleeping people” in the house, if it was heard across the street.
    Ransom note written on PR note pad from wet bar. Pen to write RN was put back in it’s container.
    Four people went into that house (that we know of). Only 3 remained alive the next morning. And of those 3 not one of them heard a pen drop.
     


  2. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    10ofRods,
    Nice post! You hit on some really important info. The head bash, then the strangulation (linear)! The zonked out cold JB arriving home; yet able to consume pineapple from PR or BR hand. Same hands on her Barbie nightgown. The midnight scream sure to awake the “sleeping people” in the house, if it was heard across the street.
    Ransom note written on PR note pad from wet bar. Pen to write RN was put back in it’s container.
    Four people went into that house (that we know of). Only 3 remained alive the next morning. And of those 3 not one of them heard a pen drop.
     
  3. fr brown

    fr brown Well-Known Member

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    Melody Stanton said she heard nothing unusual the first time she was interviewed. At a later date she said she heard a scream. Still later she said it might not have been an audible scream, just negative energy emanating from JonBenet.

    Per Steve Thomas in JonBenet.
     
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  4. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Active Member

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    fr brown,
    Do you think perhaps MS changed her story because she was directed to no longer have a memory of that night as was Joe Barnhill?
     
  5. Boston Corbett

    Boston Corbett #portlandstrong

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    Why? Mainly because his wife was perceived by many to have been so bat-sh. insane, I suppose. But John Ramsey should always be mentioned in the same breath as the words, "guilty party or parties."
     
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    Actually, pbworks says that Stanton made the "might have been negative energy" remark at the same time she reported the scream, but the detective didn't include that in his report.

    Apparently her account continued to evolve.
     
  7. Boston Corbett

    Boston Corbett #portlandstrong

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    Fr Brown, enjoyed "Oracle of the Dog." Great stuff. Spot on on the believability - the unbelievability, actually - of Fido - or Nox, I think I recall, from the story. So tell us what happened in the Ramsey home that snowy night. What would your creator - Chesterton in this instance, not God the Father - say?
     
  8. fr brown

    fr brown Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what Chesterton would say, but I know he would say it better....

    In short, I think that Patsy killed JonBenet, probably in a rage, but recently I've come to think that she had been at least flirting with the idea for some time.

    I know that Steve Thomas, James Kolar (to begin with at least) and other LE think that John Ramsey slept through the night, then gradually came to suspect the truth that morning. I don't know the reasons which led them to the conclusion that John slept and Patsy was awake, but I assume it was based at least in part on the physical contrasts between their two bathrooms. Certainly their presentations to LE that morning were very different. Why? Did John, showered and freshly-clothed, look at Patsy after their long night of elaborate and collaborative crime scene staging and say, "Yesterday's makeup, yesterday's clothes. You look like you were up all night murdering someone. Perfect. Let's call the police." Implausible. Patsy, no doubt, had planned to undress and get in bed, but she must have run out of time, copying and tweaking her ransom note.

    When she realized that John was up early (water hammer?), she hurriedly finished the note, and put it on the floor near the patio door in the hope that John would pick it up and get his prints on it. (He didn't.) John told Ofc. French that Patsy had found the note on or at the foot of the spiral staircase. Ofc. French was confused when neither of them admitted to moving it over to the patio door. For John that would be an early clue that Patsy was involved in his daughter's disappearance. He knew that he hadn't moved the note.

    Patsy wrote the ransom note. (See FFJ.) Did John dictate it? Don Foster says that the note is full of Patsy's language, but even if so, it also seems to be full of John's. But John was asleep so how would that work? Did he get up and help write it? If they're going to do that, wouldn't Patsy and John have worked on the visual presentation of their alibi? Ofc. French was instantly suspicious of Patsy's appearance.

    After Patsy conked JonBenet on the head, she set about making it look like an intruder/John had committed the crime. Patsy realized that LE would consider whether the crime was domestic. If the genital injuries were deemed chronic, the intruder ruse is out of the window. But even if LE was fooled, John would inevitably come to suspect her. It would be her or him. I think she planted time-delayed clues pointing to John: fibers from his shirt in JonBenet's underwear, a open dictionary with a corner turned up pointing to the word "incest," an open Bible she was careful to distance herself from (while simultaneously hanging it around John's neck), etc.

    John and Patsy, by witness accounts, didn't even talk. Perhaps he had hoped that cancer would relieve him of his wife. When that didn't happen, would he start thinking about divorce? Probably. JonBenet's chronic Patsy-caused genital injuries and UTIs would soon come to light. I don't think Patsy could let that happen. For that reason and because of the complexity of the ransom note, I think that Patsy had been giving this crime some thought.
     
  9. Curiositie

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    IMO the only thing John is guilty of doing is covering it up - just as he is still doing today.
     

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