Why GJ Likely Solved Case In 1999

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  1. madeleine

    madeleine Well-Known Member

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    and it is exactly what incompetent M Lacy wanted to accomplish too..she used the unknown DNA to keep the investigation OPEN so that nothing will ever become PUBLIC
     


  2. Heymom

    Heymom New Member

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    The prior vaginal trauma was from the autopsy, but they have have subpoenaed her records. Yes, Dr. Beuf is listed as having testified to the GJ (p. 176).
     
  3. Bently

    Bently Former Member

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    Perhaps he was referring to the "mental issue" as being that BR was a juvenile, and in a few months he would no longer be a juvenile when he turned 10? Thereby, the comment "easily cured" is at ten, he no longer has an adolescent brain not capable of murder according to the law, and is * cured *?

    Perhaps a tongue-in-cheek comment?

    All above is merely my opinion
     
  4. johnjay

    johnjay New Member

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    No no. He referenced a specific type of mental disorder, I no longer have the book or I would add the details, perhaps someone who has it will quote it for us.
     
  5. TexMex

    TexMex Punishment is justice for the unjust.

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    SBP. Sexual behavior problems. From a book Kolar read "Sexually Aggressive Children; Coming to Understand Them." Author is Araji Said typical preadolescent age of onset of SBP is 6-9 years old. It was a comprehensive study of research on sex abuse perpetrated by children 12 years old and younger.
     
  6. TexMex

    TexMex Punishment is justice for the unjust.

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    Araji book says SPB can be a result of being sexually abused. However it can also begin because of PTSD, anger, fear or emotional detachment.
     
  7. johnjay

    johnjay New Member

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    Thanks, that helped me find a bit more from Kolar's book online.

    And if I'm remembering this all correctly, psychologists were claiming to be very successful at "fixing" this in a fairly short time.

    I also found this:

    http://harmonyfamilycenter.org/uploads/pdf/Children with Sexual Behavior Problems.pdf

     
  8. TexMex

    TexMex Punishment is justice for the unjust.

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    Correct. Kolar contacted Araji by phone. Said with therapy sometimes SBP could resolve in 3-4 months. However if there are other behavioral disorders underlying that therapy or treatment would take longer even years
     
  9. Heymom

    Heymom New Member

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    Has anyone ever read this book? I was thinking of trying to order it. I'd have to hide it from my hubby, he thinks I'm too obsessed with this case and far too interested in psychopathology for my own good.
     
  10. Heymom

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    I assume that is just for sexual acts, and not after the sexually aggressive child had killed someone?
     
  11. TexMex

    TexMex Punishment is justice for the unjust.

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    Correct. Kolar did not disclose he was seeking information for work on the Ramsey case.
     
  12. johnjay

    johnjay New Member

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    That's what my wife thinks about me.
     
  13. DeDee

    DeDee Well-Known Member

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    Great day! Excellent work, ZoriahNZ. :loveyou:

    That's how this works! Such amazing documents hidden from us for twenty years finally uncovered that shows the GJs conclusion of their findings! This computer thingy will enlarge to read every chilling word available. Thank you. Just...thank you. Now, I must go watch the Dateline Show.
     
  14. treeseeker

    treeseeker New Member

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    No one will ever accuse me of being a great legal mind. That being said, I think I see why the GJ indictments were rejected. The R's could not receive a fair trial, or really any trial, if the primary suspect of a first degree murder could not be even mentioned, or even that there was a first degree murder.

    That being said, if the charges were meant to indicate the GJ couldn't discern which of the two parents was actually responsible for the murder - then that is scandalous.
     
  15. HarmonyE.

    HarmonyE. Well-Known Member

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    An attorney on the CBS show explained that if the GJ wasn't sure which parent was guilty of first degree murder, they would have indicted them both. It seems pretty clear they thought Burke did it.

    I think they could have received a trial and a fair one at that even though Burke could not be charged with anything. There is no reason Burke would have to be completely ignored by the prosecution in a criminal trial, although I agree it could make it trickier to prosecute a case. But it can happen in situations where there are multiple defendants who played different roles in a crime and are being tried separately.

    I think this was just one of several reasons why Alex Hunter was such a wimp about the Ramseys.
     
  16. ZoriahNZ

    ZoriahNZ Well-Known Member

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    I just realised that this screencapped part of page 73 which continues the bulleted points of the Grand Jury's conclusion:

    (?) early stages of the investigation, the Ramsey's first attorney, Brian
    (glas?), retired profiler from the F.B.I.'s Behavioral Science unit. Mr.
    that he never interviewed Patsy Ramsey and that he was hired to


    Relates to this article. It's about the book Mindhunter which was found in JR's pile of reading material in the bedroom:



    1998-08-04: Enquirer (Week of August 4, 1998):
    Police reveal 'murder manual' found in mom & dad's bedroom

    In a dramatic development in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, police found a "hot-to murder manual" in the bedroom of the little beauty queen's parents!

    The true-crime book describes a 1985 murder with amazing similarities to the brutal killing of JonBenet, who would have turned 8 on August 6.

    And incredibly, it was written by John Douglas, former head of the FBI's behavioral science unit - and one of the first experts hired by JonBenet's father John after he and wife Patsy set up their own investigation team.

    "The book was among several found during a search of John and Patsy's bedroom after JohBenet's body was discovered in the basement," said a source close to the case. "One of the investigators recently read through it in detail and was stunned at what he saw in one chapter.

    "For someone planning a murder or staging its aftermath, it could amount to a how-to manual."

    The book "Mind Hunter," was published in 1995, the year before JonBenet was murdered.

    It describes the case of Larry Gene Bell, who abducted and murdered high school senior Shari Faye Smith and a 9-year-old girl near Columbia, S.C.

    And Douglas, who helped solve the killings, lists circumstances in the case that were later eerily echoed in the JonBenet murder:

    * After snatching Shari, the killer called her mother. His first words to her were, "Listen carefully." In the JonBenet case, the ransom note - which cops believe was written by Patsy Ramsey - starts with the words, "Listen carefully!"

    * Shari was suffocated with duct tape, which was later pulled from her mouth and nose. When John Ramsey found his daughter's body he ripped duct tape from her mouth.

    * Before she was killed Shari wrote a "last will and testament" to her family on a legal pad. The fake JonBenet ransom note was written on a yellow legal pad.

    * Shari's killer collected pornography featuring bondage. JonBenet's hands had been bound with cord before she was murdered.

    * Shari's sister Dawn later won the Miss South Carolina beauty title and went on to finish as a runner-up in the Miss America pageant. Patsy Ramsey is a former Miss West Virginia - and she also competed for the Miss America title.

    Both John and Patsy were questioned about the book in June, and they dismissed the similarities between the book and JonBenet's murder as sheer coincidence, The Enquirer has learned.

    But Gregg McCrary - Douglas' fellow FBI profiler who was also approached to work for the Ramseys and turned them down - declared: "The longer you are in my business, the less you believe in coincidences.

    "I believe the JonBenet crime scene was staged. Many times when people stage a crime scene it's based on their perception of what a real criminal would do - and they get that information from books or movies.

    "The grand jury will have to weight whether these are a series of coincidences - or something else.
     
  17. otg

    otg Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to catch up with all the posts, so I'm not sure who this is addressed to. I've read several posts where different posters have indicated that they think the RGJ's reference to someone other than the parents as having committed "First Degree Murder" indicates premeditation or intent to kill. I've said this before, but I'll say it again. FIRST DEGREE MURDER (M-1) DOES NOT MEAN OR IMPLY ONLY PREMEDITATION OR INTENT! "Felony Murder" is M-1. As long as the death occurs during the commission of another felony (robbery, burglary, kidnapping, rape, sexual abuse of a child), it does not matter if it was accidental or unintentional. It is still First Degree Murder. It's important to realize this so anyone's theory isn't dependent on that misconception.

    The statute (scroll to "Felony Murder"):
    C.R.S. 18-3-102
     
  18. elendast

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    Have we heard at all from the poster BlueCrab?? Or did they sort of vanish??

    Also, could anyone link me to some more information about the emails Susan Stine allegedly authored where she impersonates a police officer? Sorry for going off topic. I didn't know where else to put this.
     
  19. Heymom

    Heymom New Member

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    :toastred: :highfive:
     
  20. FinallyRegistered

    FinallyRegistered Active Member

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    Here's the WS thread on her - interesting stuff there: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Stine-the-makeup-artist&highlight=Susan+Stine

    Here's acandyrose's page on her: http://www.acandyrose.com/s-susan-n-glenn-stine.htm
     

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