WI - Girl, 10, stomped head and killed baby boy in panic, Chippewa Falls, 30 Oct 2018

I have custody of my 8 yr old niece (since she was 1) as she gets older she has gotten worse...shes a psychopath, its genetic also...if i turn my back to her even for a second Out the corner of my eye i will see one of my dogs flying threw the air....I had to put up security cameras in my home...I was watching my 7 month old grandson one day and i needed his binkie....he was n the living room, I needed his binkie which was literally 3 seconds away and as soon as my back was turned He starts screaming crying louder....I turn around and said omg what did u do to him? I didn't touch him she says...sure enough the video shows her running over to him squeezing his stomach n shaking him and she still denied it....she said because he wouldnt stop crying.. that's only a few examples to the hundreds I have. these type of kids have zero remorse, they know what they are doing they are very manipulative...when I saw the little girl crying in court my first thought was save yourself the hassle of the fake tears and the I care emotions....they dont care, no punishment phases them... nothing!! And they will do it again if given the chance!!!
That’s what I was thinking as I was reading here, I think this girl is very likely a psychopath, like Rhoda in The Bad Seed. Scary, best wishes to you with your niece, you’re a brave one.
 
I have custody of my 8 yr old niece (since she was 1) as she gets older she has gotten worse...
I snipped your quote for space.
I want to say I am so very sorry for what you're dealing with every second. It is a difficult journey and I am happy that you've been able to provide a loving home for her.
 
I snipped your quote for space.
I want to say I am so very sorry for what you're dealing with every second. It is a difficult journey and I am happy that you've been able to provide a loving home for her.

Its ok...I tried to shorten it myself when explaining it but their is just so much with "trying" to take care and love a child this way...she does not Care about who she gets n trouble either....her lies could have sent 3 of my family members to jail and she tried to get me fired from work....noone wants to be alone with her or babysit her and there's tons more....its a huge mess....Im on the verdge of giving up, Im 40 and feel like a walking zombie...ty for your kind and encouraging words... they mean alot to me!!!
 
The doctor said it wasn’t an accident though. Which could mean the initial dropping of the baby wasn’t an accident. Sorry, but 10 years old is old enough to know not to stomp on a baby’s head.

Why did she pick the baby up in the first place?

She knew what she was doing....and she will lie and throw out the fake tears to try and get people to believe she didn't mean to do it....she will do it again if given the chance whether it be a human being or a animal...my niece is 8 she lives with me and shes a psychopath and trust me she knows too... they have no remorse and are not phased by any punishment... nothing!!! I had my head turned for 3 or 4 seconds, my gbaby was crying she jumped up and ran over to him and started squeezing his tummy n shaking him to shut him up....I have a 3ring noteback full of stuff she has done :/ its sad but no matter what the punishment is it still won't teach her...they are very hard to love...Lots of prayers and In home counseling...
 
What is meant by “outrage mobs” in this context? TIA

I can't speak for Kikukohime, but I took it to mean people like the mobs filmed attacking vans holding Jon Venables and Robert Thompsonwhen they first went to court. I don't believe those people acted out of sincere concern for justice. The only difference is these days these people are more likely to be behind a keyboard.
 
I agree, she should....this is only the beginning and I dont think this will be her last time hurting or killing someone or a animal....Im going through this now with my niece, shes 8 except she didnt kill anyone...She purposely hurts younger kids and trys to get adults in trouble to where they could go to jail, hurts animals, lies, steals, and then plays victim....very manipulative...no remorse and the tears are not real...as soon as you turn your back shes all smiles....I honestly feel like Im walking with the devil....8 yr old psychopath and I did NOT raise her to be this way....its genetics also, and her mother is one too :/
 
I agree, she should....this is only the beginning and I dont think this will be her last time hurting or killing someone or a animal....Im going through this now with my niece, shes 8 except she didnt kill anyone...She purposely hurts younger kids and trys to get adults in trouble to where they could go to jail, hurts animals, lies, steals, and then plays victim....very manipulative...no remorse and the tears are not real...as soon as you turn your back shes all smiles....I honestly feel like Im walking with the devil....8 yr old psychopath and I did NOT raise her to be this way....its genetics also, and her mother is one too :/

Does your state have residential treatment centers? I would suggest that before she does real harm to you.

A good place has staff that can work with her.
 
Does your state have residential treatment centers? I would suggest that before she does real harm to you.

A good place has staff that can work with her.

Thank you human. I was just about to suggest that. When a family is in that much danger (especially a baby) it becomes essential for everyone’s protection. This little girl seems more disturbed than in-home counseling can effectively address.
 
Does your state have residential treatment centers? I would suggest that before she does real harm to you.

A good place has staff that can work with her.

We have an appt tuesday....in home counseling didn't work....she knew how to play them Too..Im exhausted...I told her Dr that if something doesn't help within the next few months That I can't do this any longer....I sound heartless I know :/ but she hurt my 7 month old grandson on purpose knowing she was on cameras then lied and said she didn't do it even after I showed her she did..I literally turned my back for 10 seconds...My daughter won't allow him back over to our house because of Bella (niece) I have cameras in every room and 5 cameras outside....I hope our appt Tues can help us!
 
We have an appt tuesday....in home counseling didn't work....she knew how to play them Too..Im exhausted...I told her Dr that if something doesn't help within the next few months That I can't do this any longer....I sound heartless I know :/ but she hurt my 7 month old grandson on purpose knowing she was on cameras then lied and said she didn't do it even after I showed her she did..I literally turned my back for 10 seconds...My daughter won't allow him back over to our house because of Bella (niece) I have cameras in every room and 5 cameras outside....I hope our appt Tues can help us!
May I ask why you are raising your niece? Where are her parents?
 
May I ask why you are raising your niece? Where are her parents?

I got her when she was 1....her parents dont wanna work, pills n alcohol are more imp.... my niece got taken away and social services called me to get her....I filed for temp custody because I wanted them to get their life straight to get their child back.... they never showed for court, so I was granted full legal sole custody.... they haven't seen her since.... They email me about 3xs a yr we will set up meetings then I don't hear from them again....her mom and 2 aunts are borderline split personality disorder. (none of us are blood related)
 
Tuesday, Dec. 11th:
*Bond Hearing (@ 10am ET) – WI – Jaxon Hunter Liedl (6 mos) (Oct. 30, 2018, Chippewa Falls; died Nov. 1, 2018) – *Girl (10) arrested (11/2/18) & charged (11/5/18) with 1st degree intentional homicide. $50K bond.
Confessed to dropping baby who hit his head on footstool, and she stomped his head & killed baby in a panic.
11/5/18 Update: Had bond hearing (11/5) will be charged as adult under Wisconsin law.
11/5/18 Update: Hearing continued to 12/11.
 
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I can't speak for Kikukohime, but I took it to mean people like the mobs filmed attacking vans holding Jon Venables and Robert Thompsonwhen they first went to court. I don't believe those people acted out of sincere concern for justice. The only difference is these days these people are more likely to be behind a keyboard.

Neither do I. They wanted them to die, and rightfully so (imo.)
Those little freaks should never have been born.

I was VERY difficult when I was little, and it wasn't until I grew up I realized it was due to sxxt parenting, not only by my parents. I never killed a child or anyone else though. Had it been in my setup I believe I would have.
But I was rather the opposite.
I do think some people are born "evil," they lack empathy, there's something wrong with their heads.
You can't always blame a bad upbringing, humans are amazing but sometimes things err in the production.

@Nana2Luke, I hope you get some help for yourself and your family.
 
DOJ takes over case of Chippewa Co. 10-year-old charged in infant death

DOJ takes over case of Chippewa Co. 10-year-old charged in infant death
  • 3:05 pm December 11, 2018
"... ...News 18 learned on Tuesday the case is now in the hands of the Department of Justice and the case is sealed.

...According to a judicial assistant in Judge James Isaacson’s office, Isaacson recused himself from the case. News 18 reached out to him and the Department of Justice, but are still waiting on return calls. ..."
 
DOJ takes over case of Chippewa Co. 10-year-old charged in infant death

DOJ takes over case of Chippewa Co. 10-year-old charged in infant death
  • 3:05 pm December 11, 2018
"... ...News 18 learned on Tuesday the case is now in the hands of the Department of Justice and the case is sealed.

...According to a judicial assistant in Judge James Isaacson’s office, Isaacson recused himself from the case. News 18 reached out to him and the Department of Justice, but are still waiting on return calls. ..."
More...
Isaacson said that his decision to seal the case doesn’t necessarily mean it will be moved into juvenile court.
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Both Chippewa County District Attorney Wade Newell and Isaacson have recused themselves in the case, turning it over to the DOJ for prosecution. Jaxon’s father, Nate Liedl, works in the county’s clerk of courts office, so that presented a conflict of interest, Newell said.
...
The girl’s parents called the Chippewa Falls Police Department in August about an incident at their home pertaining to the girl. The Leader-Telegram made an open records request to the Police Department to obtain a copy of the incident report. Police Chief Matt Kelm rejected that request, citing privacy laws because the girl is a minor and the report contains medical information.
State DOJ to handle Chippewa County infant death case
 
Since we know nothing about this little girl and her circumstances, I think it's extremely unfair to call her a psychopath. For a start, all personality disorders, including antisocial personality disorder cannot be diagnosed until 18 (although obviously signs start before that) due to the fact that children's personalities are still developing, and while all people with APD display psychopathic behaviour as children, not all children who display said behaviour go on to have APD. so no, she isn't a psychopath, she's a child who is still developing cognitively and more likely than not won't repeat this behaviour if she is given the help she needs. While I was still in uni working on getting my degree, we went to a centre that dealt with children who had committed sexual offences against other children, sometimes there were extremely violent, and had occurred on multiple occasions, and according to the women who run the program not one child who completed their program went on to become adult offenders. Child offenders are not the same as adult offenders, and more often than not do not go on to become adult offenders if they receive specialised intervention.

Also we don't know why this child was in foster care, and there could be any number of reasons that explain her behaviour. She could have developmental delays. She could be suffering from PTSD.

Since we're speculating I want to put a situation forward for you. Foster mum is outside and clearly out of ear shot of the baby, little girl goes inside for whatever reason, and hears the baby crying. Maybe she has younger siblings and is used to being in a care taker role to some extent due to a neglectful situation so she goes to try and sooth him, picks him up and drops him. Maybe in her previous home her punishments were severe, and she, as she said herself, panics, and literally the only thing on her mind is that this baby needs to stop crying or she's going to be punished, and she does something absolutely horrific, and inexcusable. But that isn't a sense of right or wrong, it's self preservation. Fear of punishment does not always equate to an understanding of what is right and what is wrong, especially with children who have been punished for even the most minor transgressions

She should not, regardless of the circumstances, be subjected to a trial as an adult. Even if she straight up murdered this little boy for no reason, she's a CHILD and should be dealt with in the juvenile system. Where would the sense be in making her sit through a trial, and risk damaging her psyche worse than it clearly already is. I'm not saying she should get a slap on the risk, she killed a baby, and it's important that that is remembered, but the best thing that can be done in this situation is specialised therapeutic intervention, not an adult trial.
 

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