Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #34

Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by JerseyGirl, Oct 15, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

    Messages:
    27,884
    Likes Received:
    207,366
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think she would have family that LE feels is trustworthy if she wanted. Otherwise they'd have someone from victim's services.
     


  2. Rhenish

    Rhenish Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    4,013
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Am not sure I understand. Jayme is obviously an orphan as her parents are deceased but I do not understand why you do not believe "it would be a family member" that will be chosen to look after her best interests. The state can quickly determine that she has extended family, Grandparents- Aunts-Uncles, that are willing and able to care for her. The state will actually, as indicated tonight, return her to her extended family as her caregivers unless there is something "dark" that we know nothing of . The best interest of the state, Jayme, and Jayme's family lies in reuniting Jayme with her extended family immediately. And, in fact,that is what they plan to do.
     
  3. 2Hope4

    2Hope4 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,095
    Likes Received:
    11,469
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh how wonderful!!!! Welcome home, Jayme!
     
  4. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,029
    Likes Received:
    34,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Never said she wasn't. What I am saying is that Jayme is an orphan and does not have a legally appointed guardian. There will be some action taken by the child services agency to facilitate a temporary custody order, very likely to a specific sister of Denise and that will happen sooner rather than later. But there will have to be some permanent order made according to Wisconsin statutes.
     
    oceanblueeyes, 1987, Damarna and 6 others like this.
  5. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,029
    Likes Received:
    34,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am talking about tonight, as we speak, as investigators are talking to her between rounds of sleep. That is it. Nothing more.

    Don't read anything more into it.
     
    MsBetsy, 1987, Damarna and 7 others like this.
  6. Ibiz

    Ibiz Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

    Messages:
    1,809
    Likes Received:
    2,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If her parents didn't have a will, then she would probably stay with her next of kin. Which I think would be a grandparent, until a court would decide otherwise?
     
  7. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,029
    Likes Received:
    34,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    She isn't being returned to her family tonight, she isn't going home tonight, she is staying in the hospital. Last I had seen is an aunt of hers said that they expected to be re-united Friday afternoon.
     
    Hraefn, MsBetsy, 1987 and 8 others like this.
  8. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    15,142
    Likes Received:
    27,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Very true of those who live in the Twin Cities as well. The area is just beautiful. Al Capone and his gangster pals had hideouts there. JMO
     
    Damarna, 8paws, human and 3 others like this.
  9. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

    Messages:
    27,884
    Likes Received:
    207,366
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Found Alive - WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #33

    In every case of missing, middle class young girls or women trafficking is brought up. It is pretty much never the case. Sex trafficking is not common unless the victim fits several of the demographics below:

    1. Low income
    2. Person of color
    3. LGBTQ youth.
    4. History of child abuse/neglect.
    5. Other family dysfunction like domestic violence/addiction in the family.
    6. Victim has drug and/or alcohol abuse issues.
    7. Victims has mental illness.
    8. Victim is a runaway.
    9. Victim is a prostitute.

    Not once have I ever heard of a case in which traffickers broke into a home of a middle class family, murdered some of the occupants and stole a child to traffic her.

    This case doesn't fit the characteristics. Not close.

    It does, however, fit with other cases we've heard or where a bizarre and deadly, lunatic stranger who intended to steal a child (Groene case and the Ohio "tree" case) and/or someone known to the family who becomes fixated on a child, and kills the parent(s)/siblings/occupants so they can take the child with them.

    Like @MassGuy said, a kid everyone is looking for is not who is trafficked.

    Instead, kids who are trafficked are forgotten souls whose families have a hard time getting support or media attention, if they're looking at all.

    Does that mean that she was only harmed by one person? No. But that still wouldn't make this a sex trafficking case.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  10. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,029
    Likes Received:
    34,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A will has nothing to do with who takes care of your children if they become orphaned. But this is getting way off topic.
     
    Lucyray, Lanesmommy, 1987 and 10 others like this.
  11. kkdj

    kkdj Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,845
    Likes Received:
    62,554
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think I read that the aunts were with her at the hospital.
     
  12. Rhenish

    Rhenish Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    4,013
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Ok, thanks for that clarification. I interpreted what you said differently. Although, I still believe they will return her to her family asap regardless of investigative purposes. They will get the gist from her, I also believe they want her safe and secure and healthy to further assist with their investigation. IMO, we all know Jayme needs to be with her family asap and I do not believe that there is anything, to date, to indicate that reuniting her with her family will be harmful.
     
    oceanblueeyes, Damarna, Jim_M and 7 others like this.
  13. Blunomore

    Blunomore Active Member

    Messages:
    148
    Likes Received:
    104
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Incorrect. You can appoint a guardian for your minor children by way of a clause in your will.
     
  14. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

    Messages:
    27,884
    Likes Received:
    207,366
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Really? Why?
     
  15. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    15,142
    Likes Received:
    27,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Please link the statute to which you are referring. Thanks.
     
    keeleydoll likes this.
  16. BRRI

    BRRI Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,404
    Likes Received:
    10,380
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I’m surprised that we haven’t heard a name. Media knows he is 21. Knows it’s the 14100 block....
     
  17. Forpsy

    Forpsy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    2,579
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Yep. She was held in Eau Clair Acres, a subdivision I believe
     
  18. not.a.muggle

    not.a.muggle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    93
    I gathered from the interviews with the aunts and grandfather that they hadn’t even spoken with her. One of the aunts said she’s sleeping and they’ll reunite tomorrow.

    Edit: I don’t remember how many aunts there are though.
     
    Lucyray, 8paws and Amonet like this.
  19. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

    Messages:
    35,814
    Likes Received:
    341,839
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Patty Wetterling to Jayme Closs' family: 'Hold on and stay strong'
    Patty Wetterling said she was “dancing around” when she heard the news Thursday night that 13-year-old Jayme Closs had been found alive after nearly three months.

    Wetterling’s son, Jacob, was abducted in St. Joseph, Minnesota in 1989. His body was found in 2016 after his killer, Danny Heinrich, confessed.

    “It’s hard to explain, it is really hard to explain because my hope was real and it’s real for every searching parent until you know that it’s not," she said. "For them, it’s real today and you can go forward from here. I’m so happy.”

    [​IMG]

    Wetterling was at a board meeting for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Washington, D.C. when she heard that Jayme had been found.

    “I have said for a very long time I think she’s alive because if she was dead, they would have found her and they are already had a crime scene with the parents being dead and I think she was the target and she’s alive,” Wetterling said. “That was our prayer for so many years and it’s my continued prayer for missing kids out there, that many of them are still alive.”

    When asked what she would tell Jayme’s extended family, Wetterling said she would tell them to stay strong for her as they piece together what happened.
     
  20. Makie

    Makie Member

    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    13
    morbid curiosity as you will.
    I want to see what her living conditions were.
    Interesting.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice