Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #36

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  1. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    For someone who didn't complete boot camp, leaves jobs after one day working, doesn't seem to keep up with social ties....he managed to pull off a major crime without detection and hid a child for months.

    So strange....where did he get the "gumption" so suddenly be competent and stick with a plan? The only thing I can think of is, indeed, obsession.

    jmo
     
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  2. BlinkOfAnI

    BlinkOfAnI Well-Known Member

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    Agree she was the target and considering he could have taken her easily in other ways you may be right about feeling the parents had to die. Or he had been watching and planning for some time and the anticipation boiled over. JMO
     
  3. SeekingJana

    SeekingJana Find joy in this moment and hope in each day. :)

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    RSBM.

    The sheriff is being cautious with a 13 year old child, IMO. Also, it would be a bit foolhardy to keep on talking with the suspect in custody and awaiting criminal proceedings.

    We do not know what Jayme will choose to do. As others have said, it could be a long time before this all goes to trial. Jayme's life and future will go forward with lots of love and support, and that's what matters most to me.

    I do not want to know about the suspect. ( It is triggering for me. Could not watch 48 hours and doubt I can watch any of it in the future. ES was the same way. I have problems with the way former victimized survivors are more or less " displayed" for profits, or that's my take on it as a very private person about what happened to me in my everyday life for many years).
     
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  4. Bravo

    Bravo Well-Known Member

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    Yes Jayme has a road ahead nobody wants to ever travel. We cant forget that many Children who go thru abduction and the horror return to the loving arms of their Parents. Jayme doesn't have that. It breaks my heart what she has ahead of her. She can over come but it will be a very, very tough road. I wish her well.
     
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    human Well-Known Member

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    To me it matters. He has no job and has not.

    Has he been doing burglaries? He doesn’t mind driving a ways.

    He thinks he is so smart. I think he did practice crimes. Lime what? Don’t know but burglary is associated with sexual assault.

    He was out of school for three years doing exactly what?
     
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  6. bellyup

    bellyup "the more i see of man the more i like dogs." mme

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    I think moving toward a new normal is wise words.

    The "let go" part? Ugh. As someone who has worked in victim advocacy I seriously shudder at that and think it's horrible advice. Most people who suffer trauma would do anything to "let go" of the horror their minds re-visit upon them. :(
     
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    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    I think he was still in the puppy love phase (makes me sick to type it) with it only being 3 months. As time would move forward he may have grown tired of her and wanted that new phase feeling again. That's when I think her life might be in danger as well as his next victim's family.
    This guy is one sick dude! imo
     
  8. Lillymac

    Lillymac Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to defer those things to her family. They aren't stupid people and they certainly have Jayme as their first priority. I understand your concern, but at this early stage of everyone's jubilation I think it's fine.
     
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  9. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    But with respect, that's not what the conversation is about. The initial question was whether the victim could testify without being cross-examined. I said no. You replied, essentially, that that's untrue because a victim is not the accuser and cannot be forced to testify.

    One part of what you stated is, frankly, false. The victim IS the accuser if they are testifying (each witness agains them is) and thus the defendant must be allowed to cross examine them.

    The second part of what you stated is true but not relevant to the issue, which is whether a victim can testify without being cross examined.

    I've reproduced the chain below:

     
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  10. Caylee Advocate

    Caylee Advocate Well-Known Member

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    Yet the biggest question remains.. why kill the parents? He sure went to alot of unnecessary risk to abduct Jayme... WHY? Was it a fantasy of his to go to this extreme? Color me confused, but I just don't get it.:confused:
     
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    YVW.
     
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    I think the let go is letting go of the person you were before the crime and moving on to accepting to the person you are to become.
     
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    Irmese Well-Known Member

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    In some interview I saw, the Sheriff said they were a barrier. LE is not giving any indication JP is talking, though, so I think they haven't gotten any reason from him. MOO.
     
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    One thing that really bugs me is that out of mom and brothers FB pages...The picture u are seeing everywhere is the only one anywhere. There is nothing more recent than that one. I guess they could have their fb restricted but it just makes me wonder what his actual relationship with his family was like.
     
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  15. Inthedetails

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    Me too. I think everyone is bubbling over with joy!

    I also am hoping that the family is sharing the joy in the hopes it "feeds" the media something - toss 'em some bones of photos and interviews and then they will go away to the next story, rather than lurk around hoping to get the scoop.

    Everyone got a scoop....so they can leave soon, ykwim?

    jmo
     
  16. BlinkOfAnI

    BlinkOfAnI Well-Known Member

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    I do get your point about "a chance to be weak". It's possible to get so caught up in the strength people say you have that you deny yourself the ability to be weak but that's something that happens over time. Been there myself. That said I think we have to trust in the decisions Jayme's family is making. They love her and know her better than any of us and seem an amazing support for her.
     
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    I agree, considering none of these people knew of each other Why Jayme's family?
     
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  18. Pretty Go Pale

    Pretty Go Pale 46 & 2 just ahead of me

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    I wouldn't deign to opine unless I was such a victim, and you may be, so I gently breaststroke to the shallows.
     
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  19. SeekingJana

    SeekingJana Find joy in this moment and hope in each day. :)

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    From one who knows what abduction, separation from every part of life ever known, and constant torture and fear of death feels like, yes, it has a large potential for adding to the trauma already present, whether she absolutely wanted to go on national TV or not today.

    Self- doubt ( Did I do all I could?) and sometimes, residual fear, and the many flashbacks to the traumas do cause survivors to re-think allowing their face and name to be put on national media after they are safe.

    I went to extraordinary lengths to have the person who stalked, abducted and tortured me tried in what I can only describe as a " special court of law" for MY privacy's sake. He thought it would " benefit" him, but nope, backfired like a 65 Chevy Nova. :) His career history made the venue possible.

    The state attorney general presided over the prosecution and was the person who slightly prepared me for what was to come, and then questioned me, the major witness, and he also questioned the loser defendant for hours every day.

    In any other person's circumstances, I'd call it " transcendent", the way the AG and I worked together in sync. I was scared and angry, but I set all those emotions aside and I apparently did well because he ( the state AG at the time) told me I was the best witness he'd ever had in all his law career. That's when I broke down, literally. He wrapped his arms around me and somehow got me to a quiet place.

    OMG, I am thinking of parts I haven't thought of in many years. I hope Jayme doesn't have to go through this. I hope with all my heart it can be prevented for her memories. You NEVER forget any of it, but being in court and having a prominent defense attorney question MY motives was soul- crushing and dehumanizing until I took a moment and realized what he and the creep who tried to kill me were doing.

    I believe I did outsmart him because I never acknowledged any " good" in him at all.
    He had nurses as character witnesses who really effed up. One got on the stand, glared at me, broke down into tears, and said " He bought me Christmas presents for several years. He was more like a husband to me than my own husband".
    I smiled despite myself at her huge gaffe.
    I'm going to close this post while I'm still smiling.
    Love and good night to you all. :)

    @Tricia, thank you for taking time out to be with us here tonight. (( Hugs)))!
     
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  20. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    They are allowed at rhe hotel. Lots of people have pool parties for their kids at casino hotels
     
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