Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #38

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  1. Waterdog

    Waterdog Well-Known Member

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    What a head scratcher that detail of his crime is. But praise Jesus!
     


  2. moonlessnight

    moonlessnight Well-Known Member

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    in prison. very low association with suicide otherwise.

     
  3. chili367

    chili367 Well-Known Member

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    They have maps. Waze and other commerical maps are tricky to use for dispatch because of liability issues. Though the dispatcher did switch maps around that time of the call...I wonder about the from/to.
    (From way earlier posts, I am very familiar with maps and 911 dispatching.)
     
  4. SeekingJana

    SeekingJana Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much for taking the time and concerted effort with your smartphone to reply.

    This is a case I don't believe I know about unless there was an exceptionally gruesome part like alligators, or burning them... I'll go look it up right now. His name should be easy to Google. Just read where he was in chronic trouble in Angola, not a prison to mess with, IMO.
    In his photo, he has absolutely dead eyes. Scary spooky.
     
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    doublestop Well-Known Member

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    Where on earth did you get that I said they didn't handle it well or that I would handle it differently? You've totally misunderstood the question. The sequence of events described in the complaint would lead one to think they'd have been dialing the phone well before he got to the bathroom... I was asking where is the screaming in the background coming from as was reported by the police on the 911 call, and why did they not hear the door breaking down and Denise being told to put down the phone.
     
  6. moonlessnight

    moonlessnight Well-Known Member

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    yes

     
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    Can they be delusional?
     
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    I think it is but some of the posters here are saying they’re hearing attorneys saying confessions don’t matter if the defendant can prove it was coerced. But I’m not worried in this case because Jayme was an eye witness and her story lines up exactly with the crime scene and evidence left behind in the house. It lines up with his confession as well.
     
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    gngr~snap Verified Pediatric Nurse Georgia

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    I put some Gorilla Tape down on the driveway to help my daughter practice parallel parking.
    My fingertips were RAW and swollen when I got done.

    I'm so sorry for Jayme! I can't imagine what having that on her face, arms legs and hair must have been like!!!

    In addition to the trauma she had just witnessed.
    The fact that she survived the trip to his house shows she's a fighter!

    Moo
     
  10. not.a.muggle

    not.a.muggle Well-Known Member

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    It was reported that Denise tried to or did barricade the door, so that took some time. The dispatcher heard "yelling" which could have been JP yelling while he was busting down the door, or Denise and Jayme yelling/screaming. When he broke down the door, Denise may have been trying to hide the phone which could have muffled whatever was going on, making his instructions to hang up inaudible.
     
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    Actually I think we agree. I would also use the term sociopath (not pyschopath).

    But there are a lot of sociopaths that never kill. I do think bootcamp was likely the push over that edge for this guy. I see the development of sociopathy being a combined recipe that includes biological mental illness, trauma/ abuse and other external factors (to include abandonment or neglect).

    I think the only point we disagree on is that I, personally refrain from terms like “evil” or “loser” only because I’m (perhaps) excessively empathetic toward victims and believe that in order to arrive at sociopathy he, too, was a victim at some point.

    I also think when we use terms like “evil” or “monster” we are being dismissive to addressing the issues that brought it to this point. To me, words like that imply that he just *IS* those things. It seems to imply there was no hope and nothing that could have been done. I don’t believe that.

    To be clear, I do NOT offer that as an excuse and absolutely believe that he should be in prison forever (sorry there’s no DP for this case actually). I believe he should be held fully accountable for his actions.
     
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  12. chili367

    chili367 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't misunderstood.

    I ask why do you think this given the chaos in the house:
    "would lead one to think they'd have been dialing the phone well before he got to the bathroom"

    Obvious reasons include the thought if you be quiet he'll go away.

    Easy to Monday morning QB. I can't predict my reaction to such a scenario. I certainly won't second guess theirs.
     
  13. justwannahelp

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    Maybe outlawing porn would be a good start for society and the “feminist” movement. But again, we haven’t any reason to tie this to this case. I won’t be surprised if he was addicted to porn, but at this point we have not yet learned that. So why bring that discussion in here? Y’all know porn, video games, incels, gun control, illegal immigrants, and now “toxic masculinity” are all hot button controversial topics so why stir the pot when none of these are ingredients in the pot at this point??
     
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    All that was said is his attorneys stated that they have had cases with more evidence thrown out.
    I stated that if they were going to try and get the case dismissed or thrown out that I wonder if they would go with the angle that his statements were coerced. They may try a different angle, who knows. Maybe they dont try at all
     
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    Not sure
     
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    I did notice a discrepancy in the details of the criminal complaint. Jayme said her mom was able to put the tape on her mouth, but JP said Denise was struggling and he grabbed the roll from her and did it himself. I wonder if he wanted Denise to do it so there would be less of a chance of leaving DNA somewhere or if it was part of his sick plan. I don't actually want to know.
     
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    Honey, come over here and sit by me because I've spent hours trying to figure out why it's not a confession to guilt. It's been said " due process" but I thought when a person admitted guilt, they just closed the cell door behind them in the absence of something very unusual like drugs, intoxication, or something similar.
     
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    I've seen some posts saying they wish he would confess. As far as I can see he has confessed. And I don't think him being out of jail is a good idea for him. I don't think he'd last long on the street. I wouldn't even want to be one of his attorneys. Lol
     
  19. bellyup

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    Just beinging this forward from earlier talks.

    Wisconsin’s supermax prison is where he is likely to end up. It is 100% isolation. The only way to get out is prolonged good behavior. Unless he has a death wish, he better make sure he never behaves enough to be released from supermax.
     
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  20. moonlessnight

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    if they are decompensated and schizophrenic or psychotic bipolar, yes. general vague delusions are common day to day. paranoia is also very common. but this makes them disorganized and they often respond to internal stimuli. that's why they aspire to be serial killers - they aren't organized enough to pull it off usually. but there are plenty of ASPD's who can mimic psychosis but aren't schizophrenic or bipolar. Interestingly, ADHD and ASPD is linked.
    The Association Between ADHD and Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD): A Review. - PubMed - NCBI

     
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    SeekingJana Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's the abbreviation and I keep trying to use it here and people think I'm talking about ASD. OOPS, I meant to reply to the person before you.
    I'm so sorry. I certainly wasn't talking " over you". But, we agree. :cool:
     
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