Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #38

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  1. Nerissa

    Nerissa Well-Known Member

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    If it is the case that LE decided not to release JP's ford taurus to the public: I think that is pretty smart thinking.....this would have tipped off JP: that car would never have been seen again (& this was just about the only 'lead' they had), plus who knows: this is a perp who shot two people point blank with a shotgun: if he knew LE had that info: he might have panicked & killed Jayme too

    I'd imagine though that this info RE: the ford taurus would have been circulated far & wide among LE: it's odd to me that he wasn't apprehended, though it gives me a boost of hope that they WOULD have eventually, that they had at least something to go on...
     
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    WildWest Well-Known Member

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    What possibilities do you think?
     
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  3. angelainwi

    angelainwi Certified Trauma Counselor

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    Prefacing this as a verified mental health professional in Wisconsin. How I so wish this was reality. Especially in Wisconsin where I practice. There is only one way here to get a person involuntarily into long term treatment and that is a 3rd party petition. They are extremely difficult to get even with loads of evidence that the person is a danger to themselves and others.

    And yes, you can call 911 if a person is exhibiting mental health concerns. In MANY cases the police will not take the person into custody regardless of what family members are saying. If the person can APPEAR to be in control of their faculties and are able to say that they do not want help the police will do NOTHING. I have personally been involved multiple times where 911 was called and even with my professional recommendation that the person be taken, they have not taken the person, because the person was able to manipulate the first responders that they were not a danger to themselves or others.

    The stories I could tell the forum would make your blood boil! There is very little that families can do when an ill family member does not voluntarily want help. And the other sad reality is if the person does want help it can be extremely tough to get access to timely, affordable and quality care. Yes, one can go to the county health and human services department and ask for an assessment which results in a recommendation for level of care. However, many of Wisconsin's 72 counties no longer have funds to pay for inpatient care.
     
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    razzledazzle Well-Known Member

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    I actually had to look up the word "Incel"back on an earlier thread. Not a fun read.
     
  5. pepper 34

    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    Earlier, when people were speculating
    911 Call In Jayme Closs Case Came From Mom’s Cell Phone
     
  6. Gumbeaux

    Gumbeaux Stirring up tips

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    Some have mused if he had been posting here - and perhaps I should not even state that. Undeniably, Websleuths alone provides a wealth of information for the criminal mind.
     
  7. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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    I noticed this too, that it was a full name with the middle name.

    With regard to response, this is just a guess, but they knew how important this was and were coordinating as quickly as possible to not lose her, anyone with her, find him, not screw this up, ONE chance, etc. IF that is what they were doing, the time seems pretty quick actually. And I believe not all were near, again, it is county and the populated area is near Superior--maybe one officer stages or runs down by Gordon on a shift, or who knows, hard to say. There may have been (total speculation) an officer near this road, who got there first before that watching cars come in and out or stationed somewhere but maybe was told to not go in until they had backup, etc. One way into the area and one way out. One chance at this big rescue--and they found the perp too. Total speculation on my part--all of this, but so long as the dispatcher had them on the line, they knew so far, so good. No idea but I do know not only did they get her away safely, they found him too, and a nation cheered. I noticed in the 911 that towards the end when the neighbor was getting nervous and asking how close, they said they were on Y. That sounds to me as if all came together or at least two before going in....?
     
  8. Deerrun

    Deerrun Well-Known Member

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    I so agree with you, very good post. They are also sharing imo what everyone hoped and prayed for for 88 days. I feel in a way it's Jayme way of saying thank you for all of the support, love and prayers. I don't understand the negativity about the pictures (so much negativity on here sometimes). I am sure their are also professionals helping the family through this, everyone has their own individual way of handling things and it should be respected even if it's not how you think they should be behaving. jmo
     
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    girlhasnoname Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for sharing this information, especially as someone with professional experience. I have seen this side of the system live and in person and tried everything in my power to help a loved one. I hit one road block after another over many months. It's easy for others to think "nobody did anything to help", but sometimes that is the farthest thing from the truth.
     
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    Sjm_qc Well-Known Member

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    We don’t know when people were “coming and going” from the property.

    There is also nothing - so far - to indicate he was selling drugs.

    I appreciate that speculation is perfectly acceptable here & I do it all the time, but I personally try to avoid stating things as fact, when I can’t prove said “fact”.
     
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    I do not disagree with you at all, I am just trying to say that parents are in the best position to note all the seemingly disconnected characteristics in a child over a time span and get them help ( if it is available and if they can afford it and most importantly if they choose to take it seriously) A quiet second grader may not be seen the same as a withdrawn 8th grader. Different teachers, different circumstances.
     
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    I just don’t believe you can predict future behavior. Some sports gamblers claim to be the best but you can’t predict outcomes of games. There’s a human element on display and it can’t be predicted. It just can’t. All the information, knowledge, stats, history can’t predict what’s going to happen. That’s the best analogy I can come up with.
     
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    girlhasnoname Well-Known Member

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    Haa! That music alone gives me goosebumps. :eek::D
     
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    Just insofar as the job goes— my HOPE is that he thought they were “playing house” and wanted a way to support that or even that he just wanted to keep up appearances. But my gut says the thrill may have started to wear off and he was still finding himself feeling quite inadequate and unsatisfied— I think he was beginning to think ahead a bit and I don’t think she was part of those plans. All totally MOO, of course. Who really knows what was next— but my heart sank when I read that article.
     
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    In the 911 call, Jayme gives Jeanne the full name Jake Thomas Patterson - I wonder how she knew the middle name? Obviously he could have told her (but seriously, why would he even tell her his name at all?) I wonder if she saw some ID, perhaps (but that wouldn't include the middle name, probably).
     
  17. OhThatVictoria

    OhThatVictoria Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
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  18. bellyup

    bellyup "the more i see of man the more i like dogs." mme

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    This is true but only within certain perimeters and time frames and without outside interventions or life events that change the course of action or behavior.

    I just thought I would point that out because while it can be a guideline there are definitely deviations to it and it's not best for laypeople to use it as definitive. Ie; There are millions of reformed addicts and felons in this country. If they were all judged on past behaviors their futures would look pretty bleak.
     
  19. sans_soleil

    sans_soleil Well-Known Member

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    I cannot keep up with the thread, i visited WS few hours ago and the thread has since gained 10+ pages. Was anything important said here that is hard(er) to find in mainstream news outlets?
     
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    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Jmo she looks stressed to me...as would be normal.
    She has a very tough time ahead...not least being famous now. Media will be after her for a while yet, then more so if a trial comes along, then again when another girl goes missing...for eternity imo. I know I could not do it. I would badly want to start over elsewhere. Jmo
     
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